• Old vs New: Hummer H2 vs Ford Raptor vs Snow Storm (Video)


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    TFL Old vs. New: Hummer H2 vs Ford Raptor

    Which truck is better in the snow? Is it a Hummer H2 or a Ford SVT Raptor? More importantly, which tires will perform better in the icy and snowy conditions? Will it be the BFGoodrich KO all-terrains on the H2 or the second-generation KO2 all-terrain tires on the Raptor?

    Both of these trucks are heavy (around 6,500 lbs), both have big V8 engines, and both are riding of 35-inch tires. The H2 has a full-time 4×4 system with low range, while the Raptor a more sophisticated selectable 4WD system.

    Another random fact: while the Raptor is wider than the H2 overall, the H2 has more shoulder room on the interior.

    Check out all of snowy fun in the video below.


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    48 thoughts on “Old vs New: Hummer H2 vs Ford Raptor vs Snow Storm (Video)

    1. A few points

      1) Shorter wheelbase on the Hummer is going to allow the back end to kick out a lot easier than the longer wheelbase on the Raptor.
      2) I use All Season tires on my Tundra and get by just fine in snow storms based on driving ability and speed.
      3) Next week it will be +3 and raining and my all seasons will stop and swerve better than winter tires on wet pavement.
      4) Some days in the spring will hit +3C lets say, where winter tires will buckle and the tread pattern turns to mush in heavy swerve maneuvers or hard stops, then it can go to -2 and snowing the next day. So advantage of snow tires are not always true so I reduce speed accordingly with my all seasons. Snow tires can be dangerous in the Spring and Fall on hot transitional days
      5) With icy conditions there is a lot more risk that you will need more traction so having snow tires is a better choice for most of the winter but understand they are not always an advantage in the winter.
      6) Many people can’t afford winter tires
      7) People who manage to afford winter tires leave them on far too long in the spring waiting for that one snowy day to pass or they cant afford All Season tires so the winters stay on all summer which is a risk through the hot summer.
      8) People who do switch their tires to low profile summer fatties may do it too early and be stuck with slicks in that freak storm condition
      9) Maybe the K02’s and Raptor are a good happy median but not all can do this.
      10) Switching to snow tires means storing tires somewhere and not all have this ability to store tires and they stink wherever you put them
      11) Your rims get wrecked when you change tires because the mechanic in my experience is not careful and is usually a junior tech.
      12) For novice drivers tires change the dynamics of the vehicle, familiarity takes time to set in
      13) Buying extra rims and tires is costly, people tend to hang on to them for too long even after they should no longer be in service.
      People match the wrong tire or wheel to their vehicle or mismatch them and on a mass scale, it could be that many people screw this up.
      14) People don’t have time to go to a garage for another fix
      15) We should have a better option, I know it doesn’t exist but there has to be a better way, sure this works for the elite and middle class more profoundly but it will still be screwed up, then what about the poor.

      To me snow tires are critical when traction is poor and that is high risk time but they are not without a lot of problems and they are not without a lot of disadvantages depending on weather, affordability, human errors, time consuming, learning curves and potential damage to your vehicle by junior tech’s.

      I have just reduced my speeds and do fine with my All Seasons. If I had a young driver that used my truck, especially if on a highway and I had the means to do it, I would use winter tires for those high risk days but they are not without their own disadvantages depending on conditions that exist in Winter Fall and Spring and this also depends where you live whether it is statistically going to be a benefit or not. How many snowy days on average do you get in a year, one? Should we switch to winter tires now for the whole season? What about five days?, 10?, 20? What about those people in Windsor Ontario in March doing 125km / 70mph on the highway with snow tires, who cant stop as fast as All Season tires on a warm winters day or who swerve and the soft rubber treads buckle causing the vehicle to roll over 3-4 times? At the end of the day the user has to be aware but most users are going to be unaware and these tires can be deadly traps for novice drivers, even skilled drivers.

      …..and studs also greatly reduce stopping distance and traction on dry and wet roads and should only be used on snow packed roads.

        1. 10-inches in this case makes a big difference from my experiences. Just this winter my friend is complaining about the her 2018 4Runner because it handles differently in the snow compared to the 2015 Tacoma she had as the 4 runner is a lot more squirrely and harder to keep straight with the shorter wheelbase.

          1. @Rambro: A bit off topic, but check out “all weather tires”. They’re not all season tires, but all weather tires that do well in snow as the rubber compound remains pliable. I’ve haven’t tried them, but I’ve seen favorable information about them.

            1. Be nice to see them in all kinds of test conditions vs other tires for various surfaces at various temperatures to see how they stack up. Usually all we get is a bias article showcasing their tires for one condition that they stand out on.

      1. I just run an all-terrain tire year round, seems to be a good compromise and it works for me. And i also live in the northeastern U.S. so i see plenty of snow, but also plenty of warm summer days.

        1. when I say “all terrain” I mean something like a KO2, not an all-season tire. I am currently running some off brand all-terrain, cant remember the name, but it works good.

          1. I run Duratracs year round on my F150 and Jeep Liberty. They are great. Great in the snow and very mild manner on pavement. They do decent in the spring time mud here in Utah as well.

      2. I’ve enjoyed my BFG’s ice tires for a few winters now and wouldn’t go back to my Khumo Ventures all terrain though they display the mountain and snowflake logo. Two sets of wheels is more costly in the short run and I have to paint over my steel rims every 2 winters. I used to swear by good quality 4 season tires ie. Michelin/Pirelli but they performed well for the 1st winter and then the wear and tear made them less safe. I wonder what happens if someone from Windsor gets caught in a snowstorm when traveling through Timmins with 4 season tires. Stay put till the pavement shows up. Ok for some but not everyone. When temps reach 8-10 C. on a daily basis it’s time to make the switch. There may be a few days when either tire would be less safe but around here winters last a good 5 months with snow on the ground and below freezing so the cost/benefit is obvious. Plus my driveway is long and steep when leaving, 4X4 is essential.

        1. Marc P when I was driving tractor trailer from Timmins to Miami Florida I never used snow tires. I also wonder how well a snow tire with that soft compound would do on a truck that is heavily loaded. Will the soft compound be able to maintain its shape? I have only ever seen propaganda testing on unloaded passenger vehicles where they test Winter tires vs All season tires on test tracks.

          1. That’s another point….What does a snow tire do to your payload rating in the winter? Some commercial fleets may need their payload to sustain their business and therefore require all season tires.

            1. Don’t have experience with semis’22.5 tires. Used to drive a Ram 5500 with a 40 foot goose neck but that doesn’t count. On my light duty pickup the load ratings are identical on both sets of wheels. Same dimensions and speed ratings. Maybe just a coincidence. I carry my camper with either brands and don’t notice a difference in truck response.

            2. I did some checking and there is an All weather tire now, jack of all trades but master of none. All season are now being called 3 season and then there is the winter tire. Which one to use comes down to where you live, how much driving you do in the winter vs summer, how much time and money you have, who will be driving your vehicle.

              I know I have see some independent testing that showed the 3 season tire doing better than the winter tire on dry roads and wet roads depending on temperature and they say as the tire goes under load the softer rubber at some point can’t keep its shape and turns to mush and this is where you can lose all control over your vehicle, almost like a flat tire. The load and temperature will cause this but it all depends on a lot of factors. Just putting on winter tires and assuming you are doing the right thing may not be the right thing to do. The All Weather Tire sounds like a happy median but if manufacturers offer that it may reduce mpg, worsen handling and the tire life would wear out faster with the softer compound. Again, very dependant on a lot of factors.

            3. If you dont use them outside of their intended use(cold weather and snow), a winter tire will absolutely be better in the winter. The winter tires are a softer compound because they are intended to be used in cold weather where a normal tire would get hard and lose traction. They winter tire is pliable at low temps and will remain grippy in cold weather. Have you ever driven a summer performance or performance all season tire in the winter? they turn to stone. My 2006 GTO used to spin its tires at the drop of a hat as soon as the temp dropped below 45F. In the summer they hooked and the car went like a rocket.

              Dont be a doofus and leave your winter tires on in 110F weather and it wont be a problem.

      3. Rambro – – –

        Good and very thorough comment.

        R: “I have just reduced my speeds and do fine with my All Seasons.”

        Yup. I have been keeping my Blizzak’s in the basement. Can do just fine with my General Grabber HTS60’s. The Blizzak’s cost me about 1.5-2 MPG, and slow down acceleration. Unless upstate WI gets absolutely buried (2-feet, repeatedly, like Moscow last week), the All-Season Grabbers are just fine. Some “All Season” tires are no longer 3-Season tires: with softer compounds and siping, they really can be ALL season, while still lasting well in summer highway driving. Tire technology has progressed massively over the past 10 years.

        BTW: The driving that Roman did in either of his two test vehicles I can do just as well in my ’96 RWD Dodge Ram*, — and even enjoy whipping the back end around. That’s s not a problem: that’s a virtue**!

        ————-
        * Yes, it does have some weight back there.
        ** Back in the 1960’s, we used to enjoy practicing doing “360’s” on US 20 in NYS after a snow/ice storm. Rules: Gotta come completely around and straight ahead again, without losing more than 15 MPH. (Your friends would time you!) It drove NYS Troopers nuts, especially when we saw them blasting down the opposing lane, but then we’d get off onto a ramp going over a bridge and wave (^_^)…
        Ah, the courage and foolishness of youth! But at least you leaned how to REALLY handle an automobile, and not feel panicky when things in life were (literally) going sideways (^_^)…

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        1. A lot of those snow tires are not as good in slush and deep snow like a K02, they are more for hard packed and icy road conditions, that’s where they shine and that is usually the high risk surface condition, but speed is also a factor, so we have to be aware enough to slow down in those conditions without the ice tire. Or wait a few hours for the salt truck. I wouldn’t mind a pair of Blizzak boots however.

      4. I will test all you commenters.

        To see who is smart, and who is dangerously stupid.

        So, if you are only replacing two tires(which many times is not recommended, but you know a lot of people do it) do you put the new tires on the front or on the rear?

        This will be a good indicator of who is really stupid , and who is wise.

        Your answers below?

        1. Truth – – –

          T: “…do you put the new tires on the front or on the rear?”

          I read this somewhere before. Counterintuitively, it’s actually the FRONT. Honestly, my guess is that the answer may be influenced by whether the vehicle is FWD, or RWD, or AWD/4WD. If FWD, then FRONTs, — no brainer. If RWD, then it may depend on usage mode: if SLOW speed pickup truck stuff, then perhaps REARs, at the expense of high-speed stability and braking, — and depending on how worn the fronts are. If AWD/4WD, then FRONTs for sure.

          (But since I rotate tires often, they all wear out at about the same rate, so I replace all 4 and that issue never arises.)

          =========================

        2. Naturally you want them on the front to be able to steer but then your rear end can kick out easier. Having more traction in the rear will help to keep you straight under hard braking like an anchor. But if you needed the front end to steer with more traction to keep you away from a hit then you may want them in the front. Better to have even tires all around. And depends on the situation. Might be statistically better in the rear for more scenarios.

          1. In poor socialist country we have been said in driving school, to put new ones always on the back, doesn’t matter what car. It’s something to do with, when you brake, rear end won’t pass your front. I still don’t know ,if is it bs ,or not.

            1. I will reserve this conversation for a better time when we can lead the discussion with everyone’s eyeballs so as to have the biggest effect.

              It deserves that.

            2. Nope, I asked it exactly as it ought to be asked. You will see, the next time an article has any kind of snow or tire subject, I will pose it exactly as I did here.

              Like usual, I know what I am talking about.

    2. The KO2’s also have the winter snowpeak rating, whereas the original KO’s do not.

      (P.S. When are you guys going to get Disqus comments already?!)

      1. Yes, exactly. That snow peak on the tire indicates, that you can use those tires as a Winter tires, when some province require them by the law , like BC…
        I was always driving all season tires , sometimes with snow peak and KO2 right now, all year long. No winter tires, or summer tires where I am, because of the Chinook. We had -26C (-15F) yesterday, it’s still-22C and it will be +5C (+41F) tomorrow . This happens many times over the winter season. No point to use dedicated season tires in here, exactly like Rambro suggests. I am very impressed with KO2’s in snow , slash and icy road. More noisy and worse Mpg than my last Wrangler Kevlar, but those were garbage. They last just half of the mileage advertised and not as good on snow as KO2. Safety first.

    3. There is no comparison, the Raptor has an on road AWD system which is far superior to standard 4×4. Selectable mode 4A. That is is the best of both works, real 4×4 off-road and AWD for the highway. One of the best kept secrets of the Gen II Raptor.

      1. Yes. I have 4WDAuto mode in my 2010 Laramie.
        It was one of my conditions I put on the paper, when I was buying a truck, because not all models had this feature in 2012, just Sport, Laramie and Limited. I enjoy it from day one. It saved me few times combined with traction and stability control.

    4. As long as you are making “Mashup” comparisons, put some real winter tires on the H2 and then chain the two vehicles together and watch the H2 drag the Raptor around the parking lot. The difference between all-terrain tires and true winter tires is amazing and something you just have to experience for yourself.
      I am referring to tires like the Bridgestone Blizzak, Nokian Hakkapeliitta (i’m probably spelling that wrong, but close enough) and the Michelin X-ice. The traction on all these tires compared to all-terrain, off road, and all season tires is unbelievable the first time you try them.
      Two things: You recently ran an article by Tommy with 2 Jeeps and an older 4Runner in the snow on Goldmine hill. One Jeep had used Knobby off-road tires, Tommy’s had brand new off-road tires, and the 4Runner had dedicated snow tires with studs. (Not sure how effective the studs were off road) Both Jeeps had trouble on the last phase needing to use winching to get out of the ravine and up to the top, while the 4Runner just drove up with just a touch of wheelspin on the last Phase.
      Studs are great on hard surfaces but may hurt traction on dirt. My experience has been, if the winter tire is studdable, then it needs them to compete with the non-studdable Ice tires.
      You once mentioned experience with the Prius in the snow. It’s hair-trigger traction control will stop it when trying to start with one wheel on Ice. The car won’t go. Put a set of Blizzaks on it and you solve 95% of the problem. For the other 5%, try a little trick I learned, quite by accident: press on the parking brake lightly. As soon as the “brake” light shows up, the traction control is turned off and the car just goes without trouble. Don’t apply the parking brake all the way or you will get a really bad burning smell and need a lot of accelerator pressing. Toyota doesn’t mention this in the owners manual, for obvious reasons, but it really works. I drove the Prius up to our Ski resorts several times last year. I carry a snatchem strap with me and used it to pull out an F-250 that had drifted off road into the ditch just off the parking lot at Alta (8500 Ft) Traction and momentum combined with the stretch of the snatch strap allowed me to pop him out of the deep wheel ruts he had dug into the snow and mud in the ditch.
      Remember: for snow and Ice get dedicated snow/Ice winter tires. I have a friend that uses Nokian Hakkapeliitta studded winter tires on his Honda CRV and he just ignores the snow. I am not certain if they make sizes for Pickups, however.

      1. Traction is always going to be about the frictional value times weight. So the tug of war would need an attachment at equal height and done with equal weight on each tire with equal 4×4 systems. Very difficult to do. The person with a higher spot on the tug cord is pulling the vehicle off the ground and adding weight to his vehicle. You would also need each tire to have the same weight on it and on the same surface with equal 4×4 systems. Then take the snow away and add wet pavement, then start adding heat and temperature changes, then start adding more weight. At some point the soft rubber becomes a big blob of deformed rubber.

        Be nice to see TFL contact some of these Tire chain companies and run the Gold mine hill in the winter. Some of these chains are not chains at all and are just straps and composite material that wont hurt the vehicle. Likely get them for free for testing, pasted the link below.

        https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/616993217670866153/

    5. Falken AT3W is better in the snow, In-fact I’ve heard from one user from Colorado who recently switched to those, that they outperformed both duratacs and blizzaks on their Tacoma.

      1. I recently switched to this tire on my Ram truck and absolutely love it over any tire I’ve had on it for any conditions we have here in Ohio. Wears great also. I’ve been in red clay, snow, ice and some mines for work and been very pleased.

        1. I was considering them when buying new ones last November, but that many defective ones still circulating the market scared me enough to not pull a trigger this time.

          1. The thing with K02’s that are a bit off is that they clean out and pick up a lot of sand, salt and rocks that also end up sandblasting and salt blasting your wheels wells with more wind turbulence in the wheel well which accelerates rusting. They are louder and you do lose on fuel mileage. Otherwise they have good traction advantages for the pro’s on these tires but they are not without cons. I don’t think they do well stopping either and may worsen your handling.

            1. Thanks good RAM has nice round plastic wheel well liners up front and rear.
              I like KO2’s . They bite road a bit sometimes, because of flat design. Safety over Mpg.

    6. I run a set of Michelin all season tires in the winter which provide plenty of traction. Snow tires (studded or non) are for people who need to learn how to drive in winter conditions with the exception of loggers or a few others

    7. Love the video! Want to see more between the raptor and H2. 0-60 race and towing identical trailers would make for a fun video. It is nice to see how the H2 isn’t just a suburban in hummer skins, but I want more. Would be nice to see how MR. Truck compares to two in a new vs old towing mash up…

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