• Workhorse W-15 Is Now Available to General Public: Pricing and More [News]

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    The Workhorse W-15 is an all-electric pickup truck that hopes to offer the benefits of electric technology with the capabilities of a truck. For a long time, orders were only open to those looking to buy the W-15 for fleet use. However, now the Workhorse W-15 is available for both fleet, and private orders.

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    Workhorse W-15

    For those of you who don’t know much about the Workhorse W-15, this truck features an electric drivetrain with a combustion engine as a range extender, effectively making it a plug-in hybrid. Total horsepower is estimated to be 460 ponies, torque figures have not been disclosed. All-electric range is 80 miles, with the range extending gas motor allowing for 310 miles per tank. MPGe is estimated at 75, while MPG with the range extender is estimated at 32 city, 28 highway MPG.

    Towing capacity, an important figure for trucks, is supposed to be 5,000 lbs, with a payload capacity of 2,200 lbs.

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    According to Workhorse, there are already over 5,300 pre-orders for the truck to be used in fleets. However, just about anybody can now snag a place in line for the pre-order fee of $1,000. Fortunately, this amount is fully refundable. The price of the truck itself is $52,500, although Workhorse expects the W-15 to be eligible for a $7,500 tax credit for US citizens.

    Delivery dates should start sometime in 2019.

    To see what other vehicles are emerging in the electric truck market, be sure to watch the video below:

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    211 thoughts on “Workhorse W-15 Is Now Available to General Public: Pricing and More [News]

      1. Only $45,000.
        1. 10s of thousands saved on fuel over the lifetime of the vehicle.

        2. Lifetime of the vehicle is longer since range extender engines last much longer than engines connected to a tranny.

        3 Carbon fiber bed and panels last longer than aluminum.

        Big savings.

        Here’s looking toward the W-35 one ton with a diesel range extender hopefully.

        1000 hp? 30,000 lbs towiing? 7,000 lbs payload?

        1. Curious how you have determined that a range extender engine will last longer than a engine connected to a conventional transmission?
          Also, how have you determined that a carbon fiber bed will last longer than carbon fiber?

          1. Sparky, if you need explanation on that(again–I might add), you wont’ get it. Its self-evident to anyone who is sober and knows anything about engineering.

            And the carbon fiber thing? What? Sparky, are you sure you are all right?

            1. There is a reason all the aircraft makers are moving from aluminum to carbon fiber.

              Those jets take a beating.

            2. Ha! Workhorse should do a commercial where they shoot a toolbox at 650 mph at the Ford aluminum bed. Ha!

            3. Its not about “feeling”, Daniel. Like I always say, you need to get away from the “feelings”/emotional thing. It will drag you down.

              It is about truth. As long as truth is upheld, and lies and misconceptions and stupid conjectures are recognized for what they are, then all is well.

            4. So you admit you try to elevate yourself by bringing Sparky down? Someone who has time and again demonstrated far more intelligence

            5. No ranger extender engines do not last longer than normal engines.

              Hybrids have proven that over the years.

            6. Sorry Bill, according to Hal you are not sober and know nothing about engineering. He just burst your bubble, your years of experience now mean nothing after a few clicks on his keyboard… I mean taps with his thumbs…

            7. Got it-you don’t really know.

              Carbon fiber is being used in airplanes because it lighter and does not have a problem with corrosion. Aluminum airplanes last for decades as it is however. Carbon fiber does not do well with impacts-as is commonplace in a pickup bed. It is also very expensive and difficult to repair in comparison to steel or even aluminum.

            8. Yeah, that’s why the new jet liners are made of carbon fiber. Its just lighter. They don’t dare about impact at 650 mph or all the impact from landing and turbulence etc..

              Keep it up guys.

              Any engineer will tell you carbon fiber can be designed to be far more rugged aluminum.

            9. Well I know certain plastics such as handles for sledge hamers and axes are light, strong and very resiliant to impact and hard to dent. Put carbon fiber in the mix, maybe in key areas and you have a recipe for success in my opinion. Mixing plastics and impact testing is not my structural experience. I work primarily in mining with wood, steel annd concrete. Plastics is a specialty. I have stamped drawings with plastic bolts in order to make a part break to avoid damage to other key parts in the event of accidental impact but the plastics parameters were known.

              Common sense tells me from experience when chopping wood in the cold at camp, those plastic handles hold up really well even in sub zero temps, better than aluminum handles of the past. Mixing strains of fiberglass into the plastic is another trick but there are always new stuff coming out. Plastic body panels can be really bad or really really good depending on the mix or type used. Real world testing will prove how it holds up

            10. Airplanes are not regularly impacted by objects of any significance at 650 mph.
              Carbon fiber or aluminum, there would be catastrophic damage. While fight, landings and the like introduce a great deal of stress, these are not impact loads. Additionally, these loads are generally carried directly by components made of something other than carbon fiber.
              Pickup truck beds however are regularly subjected to significant impact loads.
              Sure, you could choose a different resin and fiber weave to reduce stiffness and increase toughness but why? You would not be taking full advantage of the carbon fibers properties. You could likely achieve superior durability and weight savings using a far less expensive and easier to work with composite. Or just use the appropriate gauge of aluminum. Carbon fiber = wrong application for the material.

            11. Bro-not truck beds.
              It’s easy to say something is wrong when it does not exist yet.
              While there will undoubtable continue to be an increase in the use of carbon fiber composites, there are more materials in this world than carbon fiber.

            12. The whole idea that aircraft do not need to be as rugged as a pickup bed is so ridiculous, that it leaves me speechless.

              No pickup bed is subjected to what the average jetliner has to deal with every day, and for decades to come.

              That’s why they all want carbon fiber.

              They are tired of having to deal with microfractures in aluminum.

            13. Hal, you need to understand the difference in the type of force they deal with-they are very different.
              Why do we use rubber for tires when steel is stronger (trains use steel wheels rather than rubber-it must be better!-right?)? Why not use sapphire for windshields-it is much stronger than glass.
              Why do airliners (including the current Boeing carbon fiber fuselage 787) use titanium and aluminum in the landing gear instead of carbon fiber?
              Right material for the right application. That is why engineers make these types of decision and not some guy who just read about these things on the internet. Just because a material works phenomenally well in one high strength application does not mean that it is the best choice in another.
              Also, carbon fiber composites can develop microfractures-they are just much harder to detect (not a benefit). No material is perfect, some are just better in some applications than others.

            14. Whatever my Tacoma bed was made of was very strong and worked really well and beat it to death with paving stones, gravel, metal, overloaded it several times by more than triple its payload and dropped 200 lb stone retaining wall bricks in it. Never showed a scratch. Lots of scrapes but not really visible as the material was black throughout and it never rusted. Wheel well paint usually falls off and rusts on pick up beds but not with the Tacoma bed.

            15. I do think a composite material would be very good in a truck bed-carbon fiber is not the right choice though.

        2. “Only $45,000”
          It’s not that simple, the discount that you’re referring to is the $7500 federal TAX Credit. It’s not just a simple discount off the MSRP of the vehicle. A article from US News explains it pretty well, “The federal electric car tax credit is only available in the year that you put the car in service, and you can’t carry the credit from year-to-year. It will only pay for any federal tax you owe, so if you are only required to pay $3,000 of federal income tax for the tax year in which you purchased the car, you can only take a $3,000 credit. Any remaining amounts cannot be carried over into future years.”

          Here’s the link if anybody wants anymore details on how the red credit works.

            1. You don’t get it do you… You can’t just claim the price is straight up $45,000 when there are numerous factors that will effect that price, including the tax credit that can be applied to your taxes, not the MSRP.

          1. You must not be reading carefully.

            I have always said, I have the $100,000 ready and waiting for a one ton hybrid with range extender.

            So, bring on the Workhorse W-35, which Wrokhorse has said the will come out with.

          2. Too much Scott. Electric trolls on an Electric Thread? Huh? So are you static trolling then?

            And Scott, I believe more than half the automotive industry along with all automotive journalists that I frequent on the internet, consider electric drive to be the future of the auto industry, so no vehicle is safe from EV heaven and its angels.

          3. Oooo, here comes the “shut ups”.

            You know, you can go get a state provided job in Russia as a censor.

            The Reds say it was recently Carl’s M a r x ‘ s birthday.

            Did you celebrate it?

            HE is proud of you for spreading his sentimentality.

            1. Ha! Karl M..

              He’s lower than a low life, so he is not worthy of any of our attention.

              We ought to spell his name wrong.

            2. Everybody talks big about buying these trucks, but you guys wont buy one. I mean look at that truck, was it designed by a 6 year old with a lego set? And I’m not trying to censor anyone, just saying put up or shut up. I pee in the general direction of Marxs grave.

      2. “Meh” as well for me. These electric/hybrid trucks just aren’t my cup of tea. I would much rather have a 3/4 ton, or 1 ton with solid axles, leaf springs, very large cubic inch naturally aspirated V-8(500+ cubes), a manual trans, and 2 speed part time transfer case, oh and don’t forget a full steel frame(no unibody), I may have forgot a few things, but you get the idea, I’m old school. But to each his own, this is just me. So all you electric guys don’t get offended. Peace my friends

        1. Derek, hybrids do have V8s and leaf springs and steel frames etc. They just have electric motors that assist all that.

          Some are different, but some are the same.

        2. Derek those 500ci engines are pretty awesome,I’m not sure if you have a K-1 speed near you,all electric go karts,if you do try one, there fast as hell and no stinky carbon monoxide,you wont go back to a gas engine go cart,try for yourself if like go cart racing..just imagine a Tesla for those who still thinking there vaporware..confused brothers.. There legit..

    1. Definitely is a good start,looks like its using the current Gm truck from the cab and rear bumper,interior looks like fords ugly round vents.imo good luck ..I would prefer a Gm 1/2 or 3/4ton truck all electric with 500 mile range and 10,000 lbs of towing ,hopefully soon.I will keep dreaming..

        1. And yes, its the GM cab, but totally unique frame and other body panels.

          I’m not sure why they didn’t just go with the whole GM truck and adapt it like Via Motors does with their range extender trucks and vans.

          Maybe tucking the batteries into the frame is better with a unique frame.

          1. Upon further inspection, their unique frame surely does a better job of holing the batteries, but mostly is lighter, so it give this W15 much more payload (2200 lbs), than the Via Motors pickup.

            The trade off of course is towing etc.

          1. Rambro – – –

            Notice that this is your hated HYBRID, not an EV (^_^)…

            Maybe Ford or Ram can make a diesel hybrid out of their current offerings and blow this thing away.

            Interior looks robotic. Options? Accessories? Dealer access? Charging stations availability en route? Fit and Finish? Decent frame? Water fording depth? Ground clearance? Articulation? Top speed (and for how long)? 5000 lbs towing? (Most midsize pickups can do better than 5000 lbs.)
            Where are the comprehensive specs for this thing anyway?
            Still seems best as a local fleet work truck. Maybe the power line companies could use it for pole/transformer maintenance or similar.


            1. Bernie it is not a shitty hybrid, it is actually powered by electric motors that drive the wheels with no pumkin attached. Plus this sticks it to the man. The man being Ford GM, Toyota and FCA. This truck beats them performance wise and beats them in economy and price, something they continually strive for and brag about has been defeated by an outsider. No midsize truck can haul 1700-lbs Bernie while towing 5000-lbs. many full sized trucks cant do it, most of them cant, my Tundra definately cant do it and neither could my Tacoma. It has class leading ground clearance so not sure why you complain or state it? No one cares about water fording, I personally have never asked that question when buying a vehicle. Although Tesla’s do water fording better than combustion cars do it. Some of your other tribulations are valid points that need answering.

            2. Zviera – – –

              Z: “RAM will show us mild hybrid with 48V electric system and full hybrid truck on Saturday probably.”

              Didn’t know that. Thanks. Wonder of it will start at $45,000?


            3. Rambro – – –

              R: “Bernie it is not a shitty hybrid,…”
              TFLT (via Michael Curtis): “…[It] features an electric drivetrain with a combustion engine as a range extender, effectively making it a plug-in hybrid.”


              Is it even remotely possible that this “thing” did NOT produce the landslide number of commercial orders that the Workhorse planners had thought; and they are now, in desperation, forced into going “public” to try to save this otherwise sinking project?
              Just asking…(^_^)…


            4. Rambro – – –

              R: “Some of your other tribulations are valid points that need answering.”

              They are ALL worth taking a long hard look at. Once you move away from pure “Commercial”, and go “General Public”, then that’s a horse of whole different color, as they say in the Wizard of Oz. (Sure hope their mysterious “head guy” is not some smoke-and-mirrors “man-behind-the-curtain”, like some other EV execs we know (^_^).)
              To attract a financially viable sales-base in the general pickup truck market, this W-15 would have to go WAY upscale from where it is now. Can’t even imagine what that would do to the $45K starting price!

              BTW: Their website still specifies ONLY fleet intention; and their spec sheet reads industrial:


            5. Bernie lay off the drugs. Hybrids with transmissions and differentials are not electric drive hybrids. Battery electric will be superior but this electric drive truck does shove a nice unicorn horn right up the kisser. Hybrids with electric assist are abominations and make EV vehicles look like sht. No wonder many think they are garbage, because they are. Workhorse is better and beats the man in performance, ground clearance, mpg, economy and price. Shoves a nice foot right in their ass. So sick and tired of buying prehistoric dinasours. Like I said many times my 2004 Sierra Denali was a better truck than the sht they sell today, well over a decade ago. Nothing significant has changed since the 2nd mellenium. This is a welcome change and a big fck you to the man.

            6. Take it easy Rambro. They didn’t make even dent to the truck industry. Tesla is no exception.
              BTW: What’s so special to get off oil and jump at lithium and rare eart elements ? It’s just a different commodity. Nothing is for free.

            7. Zviera the jump from oil to electric has an abundance of advantages. Big one for me is the rotten egg smell and smog in the city traffic will be reduced to and reduced to nothing at some point.

              2) Lower center of gravity
              3) A Frunk
              4) More new ideas will spawn from this in the car itself and for the new home builds such as mega batteries for the home to stop our dependence on the grid for blackouts.
              5) Performance will be cheap rather than continually getting more expensive. We have reached acceleration for cheap that exceeds tire grip so we no longer have to pay ridiculous prices for performance.
              6) Torque and HP is instantaneous
              7) Electricity is cheaper in fact with Tesla it is free if you buy their model 3 which costs less to own than a Civic, you have 8500 current stalls to charge at for free so you never pay to go anywhere ever again.
              8) Better handling
              9) Vehicle is better balanced
              10) No tranny or exhaust or driveshaft to route to the rear of the vehicle which frees up floor space in the vehicle
              11) New ideas will run rampant with auto designers
              12) More than twice the amount of jobs will be created for electric vs oil and coal
              13) Charging from home means your vehicle is always full so you never stop at a fuel station if you stay within say 300 miles of range
              14) Heating your vehicle in the morning can be from your house hydro and its quiet
              15) You can use your car to feed electricity into the house during a grid outage
              16) Less noise pollution in the city and great for nature excursions with the car.
              17) Vehicle is better balanced front to back
              18) Tesla is proving and Workhorse wants to prove that their vehicles are the safest on the road. Without barbaric parts like an engine and tranny designers at Tesla have made their vehicles the safest on the road due to superior designs with added space for crumple zones
              19) Simplicity of the vehicle for a mechanic is very easy.
              20) No tranny fluid to change or add, same for oil changes, def fluid, antifreeze flushes, diff oil and fuel to add.
              21) For Blackjack, your brakes may last forever, never need to pay for brakes again with regenerative braking and we may only need one floor pedal so you never switch back and forth with your foot under manual driving the regenerative brakes can be set to you removing some accelerator throttle that rapidly slows the vehicle as needed depending on one foot application. The brake pedal would only be used for emergency braking.

            8. Rambro – – –

              R: Ref, your comment, January 10, 2018 at 6:43 am.

              1) [implied] Rotten egg smell. Yeah. It stinks! (no pun(^_^)). Get a decent cat and it goes away.
              2) Lower COG. So what? How low does it need to be to benefit cornering/handling performance in a pickup truck? It’s not greatly valued here.
              3) Frunk? Who cares in a pickup? Crew cabs have plenty of space; Ram has a Ram Box; Titan has side boxes; Beds can have tool/accessory boxes.
              4) New ideas? Speculation. Watch the new vehicle shows (e.g., Detroit), SEMA, and CES shows: there are plenty of ideas with ICE vehicles already.
              5) Performance? This is a marginal comment, mixing speculation with hopes and dreams. Truck performance now is fine, and you pay for what you get. Yes, a Raptor is expensive, and so would a Workhorse W-15 be, if it were built to run over sand dunes at 80 MPH!
              6) Instantaneous HP and Torque? Yup, for the 1st 2000 RPM, — and then it goes down from there, while ICE’s go up.
              7) Cheap electricity? You are reverting to Tesla’s charge marketing ploys again. Electricity is cheaper only in some areas; and as only as long as the grid can handle the scale-up; and only as long as the scale up does not exceed 20% in the USA.
              8) Better Handling? In a pickup TRUCK? You’re kidding, right? But since you seem to slip Tesla CAR attributes in here every now and then, let’s take a look. Edmunds tested the Tesla S against a comparably priced Porsche Panamera. Skidpad Tesla = 0.86; Skidpad Porsche = .96 (that’s a huge difference.) Slalom was 67 MPH for Tesla; 69 MPH for Porsche. 0-to-60 = 4.3 sec for Tesla; 4.1 for Porsche. 60-to-0 Braking = 110 ft for Tesla; 108 feet for Porsche. Other test data are here:
              Gotta compare equals with equals, Rambro.
              9) Better Balanced? The Tesla or the W-15 pickup? For the W-15, the weight distribution (WD) is conveniently not listed on the Workhorse website, but I suspect the battery pack increases rear weight, reducing load capacity, for why else would it have a comparable 2200-lb load limit? (The Ford F-150 goes to 2300 lbs.)
              If you’re slipping back to Tesla again, its WD is 47/53 ; whereas the Porsche = 54/46. Did it matter in performance? Obviously not.
              10) No tranny, differential, freeing up floor pace. Again it matters in a Tesla CAR; it is irrelevant in a PICKUP, which is what this website is about.
              11) Rampant New ideas = Speculation.
              12) 2X the new Jobs = Hysterical speculation.
              13) Home charging. Yes, you’d better need it with a 300-mile hybrid range, since my old ’96 Ram goes 450 miles on tank and fill-ups are EVERYWHERE en route (which is not the case with EV’s).
              14) Heating the vehicle from home. Yup, you’d better do that at home, since your range goes down the tubes if you visit a friend in Northern MN and leave the W-15 out all night at -15 deg F. Did I mention how badly you are screwed (^_^)?
              15) EV car/truck to feed house. Yeah, I would really spend the extra $$ to buy an expensive EV vehicle to shorten its battery life in a power failure by running it in a highly taxed mode! I have a “PowerHorse” generator for that, as should everyone who lives in a suspect area.
              16) Less Noise. Sorry, that’s just socialist tree-hugger thinking. I want to hear the roar of my engines in the morning! Look at Roman’s reviews of trucks here on TFLT in which he comments on the sound of engine/exhaust. It’s a virtue, not a deficit. In this area, they even require Priuses to make noise to minimize pedestrian accidents, because they can’t easily be heard otherwise.
              17) Vehicle is better balanced. You said that already, and it was addressed. See 9) above.
              18) Better Safety. Tesla CAR is good; W-15 PICKUP is NOT rated. Ford F-150 already gets “good” overall. Check IHS ratings:
              Small overlap front Driver-side = G
              Passenger-side Moderate overlap front = G
              Side = G
              Roof strength = G
              Head restraints & seats = G
              Front crash prevention and Crash avoidance rating = SUPERIOR (with optional equipment)
              Can the W-15 come up with those evaluations? Currently, I doubt it.
              19) Simplicity. Yup. EV’s are simpler. So is taking a bicycle or walking. ICE vehicles are so maintenance-free and reliable now that oil changes are 15,000 miles; grease jobs are a thing of the past; radiator fluid (also in EV’s) goes 30,000 miles; brake fluid (also in EV’s) goes 30,000 miles; and brake pads go 50,000-100,000 miles with proper usage (My rear shoes on the old ’96 Dodge Ram, with 200,000, miles are only half worn.) So, this point is negligible.
              20) No fluids to change. Addressed in 19) above. BTW, for better traction control, EV TRUCKS like the W-15 do NEED to have gear boxes, like transmissions, to get better behavior and more torque in middle and higher RPM regimes. These require periodic lubrication too. Oh, they didn’t tell you that? (^_^)…
              21) “Brakes Last Forever”. In a pickup TRUCK, used as a real truck, no brakes last forever. But this was addressed in 19 ) above. If I get 75,000 miles out of front pads, and + 200,000 miles out fo rear shoes, — over 22 years — is $300 for a brake job a big deal? C’mon, get real.

              Rambro, you need to stop mixing variables and trying to rub off Tesla CAR SEDAN characteristics onto the W-15 PICKUP TRUCK. They are two entirely different animals, with different structures, designs, and intended uses.
              I do not believe the W-15 will be significant success in general, public, pickup truck segment as currently offered, — and to be competitive, it would be VERY expensive. As I questioned above (January 9, 2018 at 6:59 pm):
              “Is it even remotely possible that this “thing” did NOT produce the landslide number of commercial orders that the Workhorse planners had thought; and they are now, in desperation, forced into going “public” to try to save this otherwise sinking project?
              Just asking…(^_^)…”


            9. Rambro, your comment has so many wrong assumptions, I don’t know, where to start.
              You just move pollution from the city streets to the suburbs, where natural gas power plants are gong to fire up each afternoon to supply all the electricity needed for charging batteries overnight, or to the china and other countries, where solar panels are made , or lithium produced. Not everyone has hydro power plant next to his house and we can’t flood all the country just to get hydro. Power grid won’t survive a second if we all plug in. What do you do with all those glass solar panels after their service is done? What kind of ecology is that? I see ecology disaster left for our kids.
              Honestly, I am sure you know all of this and I know, you will never buy any electric car.

            10. Again! What is wrong with you all!

              You don’t have to plug this truck in!

              It has a combustion engine to charge it and supply the electricity for the electric motors!

              Man, what is wrong with you people!

            11. Hal’s plan is to leave the truck running all night so that the battery is charged in the morning…

              Actually, that may be the best idea you’ve ever come up with. Program it with a mode where the generator always runs until the battery is charged, whether the truck is “on” or “off”. It would solve the “I don’t have a place to charge” problem but your fuel economy would be at the same level as a similar sized ICE truck. Just watch for carbon monoxide if it’s parked running inside a garage

            12. Bernie, your comments are very bias and common sense alludes you. Saying ridiculous things like who cares about handling is rather idiotic and I could go on but your post speaks for itself.

              Daniel what other pick up gets similar mpg of 30 combined. On top of that it does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds and is AWD. Plus you get 80 miles of 75mpge

            13. Rambro – – –

              R: “…your comments are very bias and common sense alludes you.”

              Actually, I am trying to instill common sense in you, dear Rambro, so that you can overcome your socialist Canadian tendencies, — obviously a hopeless ambition on my part (^_^)…

              R: “Saying ridiculous things like who cares about handling is rather idiotic…”

              My comment actually was: “How low does it need to be to benefit cornering/handling performance in a pickup truck? It’s not greatly valued here.”

              So, now have you shown difficulty reading and understanding as well? Since you blended the Tesla CAR into this W-15 PICKUP article, my comment was intended to relate to the performance of that Tesla Sports sedan. It simply is not something that a typical pickup-truck owner would value or even pretend to aspire to. if you want sporty, get a sporty car; if you want something real and useful, get a pickup truck. Two different worlds, Rambro.

              I really think I need to drive up to northern Ontario to take you out to dinner. You’d feel better afterwards…(^_^)


            14. Bernie, yes please do that for me, people from Alberta. We can’t stand socialist from East part of the country.
              I pay carbon tax in every product , because of those morons and rest of the country and china has my lunch for free. Ontario subsidize electric cars from my taxes.

    2. I hear you Mr. Hal,dont get me wrong we have an 07 escalade 6.2 and a 2014 escalade esv one black and a pearl white,I love the sound of 6.2 v8 mileage is about 19-21 on the highway.But I get tired of stepping on and wearing the darn gas.We also have a duramax diesel in Washington st and many diesel tractors in our orachards but I’m tired of smelling that crap,so hopefully soon Gm or Tesla has a full electric truck,where I can go right passed the gas stations..K-1 speed has Italian go carts those things are awesome compared to regular ones..imo

      1. It would look so much better with the side steps removed. Too bad about the long nose for approach angles but the front bumper is decently high with no low hanging differential pumpkins.

    3. I told Anthony Bort at Workhorse to contact the biggest Truck Nuts (TFL-Truck)and send you guys a truck as soon as they can, so no excuses next time. Run this thing up the gauntlet. 12 inches of ground clearance and the body panels cant be dented which is really nice and stronger than aluminum. At 45,000 you can likely pay that off in a few years in fuel savings if you run fleets in the city limits at 75mpge. Pretty nice that city miles are better than highway. 0-60 in 5.5 seconds with no emissions at the lights. AWD and has a lot of safety features and storage in the front too. Auto braking, lane assist, adaptive cruise, preheat the vehicle while its plugged into the house in the morning will be a nice feature as well.

      1. But what if you have two? How will you plug them both in? What if you have three in the family? What will happen to your utility bill? How will your house support enough solar panels for THREE?

        1. Daniel how often do you fuel up your vehicles all at once?I doubt anyone will be charging there hybrids or ev all at once,come on man be real.Lets not create negatively for no apparent reason.Be open minded and give it a chance instead of being a negative Nancy..

            1. Daniel similiar to what Tesla did in Australia. He gave them a mega battery for an entire city because the entire grid was suffering from constant blackouts. When the grid tripped it took 30-60 minutes to re-route electricity to turn it back on. Now when the system trips the battery kicks in, in just milliseconds. You dont even know the grid shut down. The batteries back the entire city up. This can be done at any home where solar feeds and charges a mini mega battery that sits beside your house, maybe a little larger than an outdoor airconditioner or just slightly bigger than a hot water tank. The grid or solar can charge these batteries and you can set up three chargers from it or more. This can be put into new construction and might bring your energy bills down with government kickbacks and you have a large battery suppply to power your house in the event of a disaster. This would greatly reduce our fragile dependency on the grid during natural disasters and blackouts. Give everyone a place to live or charge a vehicle to travel elswhere.

            1. Your comment is a far better example. How long can the generator keep the battery charged if towing 5000lbs?

            2. Again, a non sequitur.

              You were asking about remembering to charge it. Its automatic, you don’t have to remember to charge it.

              T’hen you jump to a different tangent.

              Then you say my response was stupid.

              This is good material to quote for my book on human stupidity.

              I’ve copied and pasted the whole thing into my text file.

            3. So it “magically” charges? Come on Hal. How much work does the generator have to perform to charge the battery? Can it keep up with the demand of the motor? Basic questions here.

            4. That wasn’t your question in this line of discussion. You changed your whole question. You asked what happens if you forget to charge it. You don’t have to remember to charge it.

              Oh, but you never stick to the matter at hand.

            5. You are trying to change it up. This is interconnected.

              The generator would need to run full speed for over 2 hours to fully charge the battery. If you hop in the truck in the morning and forgot to charge it or leave it running for 2 hours to charge, then you have only 8% of your power available for moving and zero for charging.

            6. ” If you hop in the truck in the morning and forgot to charge it or leave it running for 2 hours to charge, then you have only 8% of your power available for moving and zero for charging.”

              Please feel free to point out any inaccuracy in this example.

      1. The torque will be class leading by a long shot as well so not sure what limits the towing. But with a good payload it beats my Tundra. With 4 people in my Tundra, I have 200Lbs of payload left for gear which means my tongue weight is 0 which means I can’t pull anything legally.

        1. Fred that is nonsense. They have a 20,000Lb Van with a 268HP electric motor with over 1600Ft-Lbs of torque and its been successful in fleets for 10 years now. Workhorse has been around for a decade now.

          1. Actually, he hits the nail on the head. Sustained high power outputs are challenging in an EV. Not impossible, but challenging. Those challenges require hardware (adding complexity, cost & weight) to overcome. If the target market doesn’t demand towing greater than what they spec’d, then it robs from the product to build in that capability.

        2. Ever sat on top of a combustion engine, Fred?

          Fred, you have revealed your ignorance about electric, since you base your argument on kids toys.

          Electric works harder than combustion for linking it to the wheels This is proven in many commercial grade vehicles and ships and construction trucks and now electric cars/SUVs.

        3. Ah, Fred. that’s because you are sitting on your kids electric powerwheels.

          You couldn’t have made our point better if you had tried.

          Ah, the stupidity of human beings.

            1. I strictly don’t believe in “self esteem”. “Self esteem” is fake.

              My motivations come from a far more real and unwavering source–TRUTH.

        4. yeah fred, more current equals more heat which makes more resistance, which makes even more heat which reduces performance. More than likely the 5k limit is to keep the motor in its rated heat limits to save the life expectancy of motor. 5k towing is really enough more most. Not a bad start

      2. Its the platform that limits the towing. Not the power. They could of just gone with the GM platform and had over 10,000 towing, but maybe GM wouldn’t go for it.

        I believe GM is reserving the space for electrics themselves. A Chevy Volt Pickup

        This has the towing of a midsize. but the space of a full size.

        The big towers are yet to come with the W-25 and W-35.

        1. I agree it must be something in the platform. Towing does hurt range by a lot however, so anything more might not have been perceived as feasible with the small battery supply. Workhorse stated they want to add a switch that allows you to run the generator even when the battery is full as this will extend the range if you know you are going to deplete the battery supply. The generator is only 38HP so it wont be able to keep up with heavy towing to a degree that is satisfactory, so maybe that limits the towing.

          1. What? the range extender is only 38HP? YOu know Workhorse is not using the BMW 3 cylinder in the i8 etc..

            I don’t know what they have settled on.

            The Vi Motors truck just uses the 300 hp 4.3 v6 from GM that is already on the truck when Via takes the whole truck from GMs factory to their factory only a couple of miles away.

            1. Hal it is an I3 38HP 43 ft-lb torque generator. The question is how fast the generator can charge the truck. Workhorse only allows you to use 40Kw of the 60Kw battery supply giving you 80 miles of range, likely empty miles. How many Kw/hr can the generator give to the 40Kw supply in 80 miles of range is the question. This will extend its range to say 120 miles, so for another 40 miles it is generating more Kw/hr until at some point the battery drains completely depending on load and then you may need to stop and let the generator charge the battery or plug it in somewhere. That is my guess.

            2. Rambor, I tried to say… you know they have announced they are not using the 3 cylinder from BMW they previously had announced.

              They said they will be getting a bigger combustion motor like the Via MOtors pickup.

            3. Sorry, I am right and wrong on the combustion engine.

              It was the 2 cylinder BMW engine from the i3.

              They announced that is no longer.

              Now they are going with a bigger 3 cylinder turbo 1.5 liter.

            4. “Now they are going with a bigger 3 cylinder turbo 1.5 liter.”

              And what is that going to do to their advertised fuel economy numbers?

            5. 38HP = 28.4kW. There’s your max theoretical charging rate. You can reduce that by at least 10% however to account for the inefficiencies of the alternator.

            6. Sparky is that 28KW per hour. If you use 40KW in 80 miles then it would take you well over 2 hours to do that within city limits maybe even longer. At that rate the with 40KW jump start you could drive all day. Now if you are using an extreme amount under heavy highway loading then the 80 miles of range may turn into 50 miles on battery alone. In 3/4 of an hour you would have another 15-18KW of power and then more charging time to deplete that. Worst case you pull over and charge. This would be worst case if you planned wrong or did a one off trip. If you do this regularily then for sure this is not for you. Be interesting to see how it works out in a real world test. I see a lot of real world testing from owners with Tesla’s and the majority are very happy with them. depends on your needs. I am sure you can find specific scenarios where this truck does not do well but there are key areas where it does do really well and beats and exceeds the current truck industry with the first model based on current specs.

            7. There is definitely some funny math going on. They claim the motor can put out 460 hp which works out to about 340 KW. At full load, that’s 5.5 kw per minute. The generator can only put out .5 kw per minute.

              Running the math at full load…
              In 7 minutes 20 seconds your battery is flat dead. With the generator running, you add back 3.75 kw in those 7:20 minutes. That 3.75 kw buy your about 40 seconds more of power…

              So in 8 minutes your dead on the side of the road at max load.

            8. Daniel, pretty rare to run at full power. Not even the F150 was at full power pulling 12,000Lbs up the gauntlet. I think it was at 3000rpm and that is a 375HP truck at 5000RPM so it was using maybe 250HP in laymans terms. I do not know the true number, not verified. However, I did do some math for fuel

              Fuel burns at about 0.5Lbs per hour per HP used. This means if an F150 was using 460HP, its 87L fuel tank would be empty in about 16 minutes.

            9. And Daniel that is considering no losses through a transmission. A lot of that power wont make it to the ground.

            10. …and your dead on the side of the road applies to the F150, the generator would still have fuel in the tank to charge the battery again.

    4. “Just about anyone can now snag a place in line for the preorder price of $1,000.” “Delivery dates SHOULD start SOMETIME in 2019”. In other words; “I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today”. Be careful my friends! At least wait until TFL does some real world testing on it.

      1. I definitely have a few questions before I pre-order.

        1) Service centers which I believe is Ryder and other delivery garages that will service them but need more info on that.

        2) How does the generator work and how fast does it charge the battery and can you charge the battery while driving to extend the 80 mile range.

        3) Is it available for Canada?

        4)What is the financing

        5) What is the Canadian price and what are the rebates?

        6) How much for the charger or is it any standard 240 volt plug in and where is and who supplies the whip/cord?

        My 6 big questions before I pre-order.

    5. Lol is this a joke. 5k tow capacity and looks like something a moron patched together in the shed. Idiots looking for the unicorn when great trucks already available. Electric truck just not there yet. It will be and will be awesome. But imo 5-10 years from anything I’d want. This definitely ain’t it.

        1. A pickup that has

          1. the towing of a midsize(that’s what most people do).

          2. Room of a full size(that’s what most people buy).

          3. Cost less to own and use over its longer lifetime than the competition.

          Sorry, this thing is right down most people’s alley.

            1. Where’s your data on that one?

              Almost a third of pickups are fleet trucks, and most of them are not full double cabs.

              I’m not even sure most consumer pickups are full double cabs.

            2. Hal, you asking for data to back up a claim? Oh that’s a good one. Alright so I can’t find exact sales stats but there are many articles that talk about the overwhelming popularity of Crew cab trucks, but here’s what I did find. I went to cars.com and typed in a Dallas, TX area code with a 250 mile radius since Texas is the largest truck market in the US by far. Then I sorted by New Ford F-series trucks, since they are the highest selling, and then I didn’t put a price ceiling. It came up with 20642 matches, then sorted by cab size, you get the breakdown of 17,795 Crew Cabs, 2046 Extended cabs, 771 regular cabs, and 30 unknown. That’s just F-series trucks and I’m willing to bet that the GM trucks, Ram, Toyota, and Nissan would show the same. Now does this directly correlate to sales, I’ll admit it’s not perfect, but that’s a lot more crew cab trucks for sale than any other cab style.

            3. Just for fun, I did another search with the same criteria as the previous post, but with a 1000 mile radius. Here’s the results:
              Total trucks: 100,162
              Crew Cab: 77,551
              Extended Cab: 14,865
              Regular Cab: 7127
              Unknown: 617
              Cargo Van: 1
              Wagon: 1
              Those last two are obviously data entry errors.

              Here’s the breakdown of Silverado.
              Total: 104,750
              Crew Cab: 87423*
              Extended/Double Cab: 1501
              Regular Cab: 7370
              Unknown: 8456
              Where things get murky is that I’ve noticed some dealerships place the double cabs on cars.com marked as crew cabs, so that number most likely isn’t a 100% accurate representation of the numbers. But, even with that error, by far more crew cabs for sale than any other cab size.

            4. No, no, no.

              A for sale site does not take into account all the trucks manufactured.

              A huge chunk of trucks are bought for fleets and don’t show up on consumer websites for sale by anyone.

              Besides, fully double cabs are no good off-road. Too long a wheelbase. and too low a payload.

            5. Workhorse stated most fleet pickups are this configuration which is why they chose the smaller 4 door cab style to start. However, other configurations will follow.

            6. “fully double cabs are no good off-road. Too long a wheelbase. and too low a payload.”

              Why are you bringing this opinion into the discussion about model mix? Aside from that, you do realize that many extended cabs and crew cabs share the same wheelbase right?

    6. Not there yet!

      Very great 1st to market offering and I am 100% sure this will kick electrics with range extender truck use into high gear fot the future.

      However this just won’t meet the demands of a typical truck owner yet. Great for fleets or city commercial jobs, but the average truck owner won’t find it capable of meeting the broad range of needs that we’ve all became expecting of!

      Let’s say you drive your truck for transportation to work all week about 100 miles round trip each day? Yep, perfect for that!

      Now the weekend comes and you live in Southern CA and it’s August and you want to tow the 5000lb boat 300miles each way to Lake Havasu and it’s forecasted to be over 120* that weekend?

      Not going to work on many levels. That 300 mile range will most likely be cut in half just towing, then add extreme heat and air conditioning demands. Now add extreme power demands for the continuously roaring fans to keep batteries from exploding. You’ll be lucky to get 100 miles with it and these type of demands.

      So at this point you realize it’s just a cutting edge novelty and you go purchase a ICE 1/2 ton pickup that is not range limited, reliable, efficient when empty, extremely capable these days, and completely impervious to extreme outside temperatures!

      What would you do???

          1. You mean I am only making trouble for you.

            I am injecting a bit of truth into your claim.

            Most people don’t tow 5,000 lbs with their pickups, ever! No matter what it is.

            I’m am always having to fill in the lines with these pickup site guys.

            1. What the hell are you saying???

              Most don’t tow all of the time with their 1/2 ton truck, but that amount and the occasional towing or hauling scenarios is EXACTLY what they bought it for. This is also EXACTLY what the manufacturers play into designing and marketing it!

              Your obviously an idiot Hal or whatever your name is today if you really think that most buy a truck and never intend to tow or haul with it?

              The only bit of truth on this topic about the Workhorse is that it would fail miserably in the average scenario I created!

              Nothing more nothing less.

              Again answer my question? Why are they advertising what it can tow or haul if everyone that’s interested in buying it supposedly is never going to use it this way according to you???

            2. Really, if you take all the half ton and midsized pickups that are sold this year to fleets and consumers, most of then will never tow over 5,000 lbs. A great number of them will ever tow alt all.

            3. “My car can fly”

              “Prove it”

              “Well, no one flies anyway so I don’t have to”…

              Honestly Hal, why the heck are you on a truck site anyway? You constantly cry for a one ton electric semi the size of a jeep for your “off-road” construction projects but your fall back is “nobody tows with a truck anyway”???

            4. Daniel, the king of non sequitur.

              Just because I have high load tow needs, doesn’t change the fact that this W-15 meets a large population’s needs.

              Daniel, keep it up. Your purpose in life is to exemplify clearly the stupidest and most backward point of view.

              I think it is helpful as a contrasting view to truth.

    7. Im with Blackdawg! This thing looks very crude on the outside and spartan on the inside. My old 1996 F150 has a lot better towing capacity and a lot nicer interior. However, I am curious to see some real world testing like battery performance in temperature extremes, towing performance, and predicted reliability, etc. I bet there is a lot of potential here… just don’t see it yet.

    8. It looks like something a 3rd grader would draw up for art class.The interior is even worse.I doubt I’d drive one for free. For 50 and some change I’d expect something that’s not a laughing stock of the truck market. This vehicle may capture .03 of the market and I understand you have to start somewhere but this thing will be old news in a yr and be nearly impossible to just give away let alone sell.

    9. I would jump on board a hybrid truck one day. But I need to see them proven. I expect to plug in to any outlet. I expect it charged during my 8 hours at work. I should only be fuelling it on very long trips. It should be able to get me to work and back and errands never needing fuel so it only charges off my employers block heater outlets on each stall lol. Electric brakes. Basically I expect the brake pads to last a very long time because you have a handle or something to ride an electric brake with no wear to conventional brakes. And the final challenge is for batteries to be able to survive the cold of the great white north. The electric cars currently suffer the same fate as your flashlight or battery booster left in the vehicle, nearly dead when you go to use it. Until the temp rises. They are for people with indoor parking so far.

    10. I will ask the same question about this that I asked the last guy trying to sell me a solar panel system for my business. “If you take away the government subsidy from this investment, is it cost effective?” I suspect the answer will be the same, NO. I keep reading people’s comments about saving ten$ of thousand$ in fuel. Electricity isn’t free!

      1. It is electric drive.

        Which means no transmission to cart around and fix and maintain.

        The combustion engine will last much longer because it is not getting jerked around by the transmission and is always running at its optimal rpm. Less maintenance there too.

        Brakes will last much longer.

        Body panels panels and bed will last much longer.

        The body is the GM cab, not just a thrown together vehicle.

        1. The engine is always running at optimal RPM? How is that? Do you think this engine just runs at say 2000rpm and never changes? No, it throttles up and down to compensate for increased load on the electrical system depending on the situation, especially after the batteries are drained. Cruising down the highway, yeah it’ll hold the same RPM. Stop and go traffic, it’ll throttle up and down. Going up a hill, it’ll throttle up and so on and so forth depending on the situation.

            1. Lol. Hal people by majority are like this when it comes to new stuff. Its understanding, we are just human and all just as ignorant. I have said it before, knowledge sometimes really hurts.

            2. I know how all of those work. How do you think the W15 works, do you believe the engine just runs at the same rpm generating the same amount of electricity all the time or does it work how I said it would posted above. This is a legitimate question because looking over different sources of information about it, I haven’t been able to find a clear answer.

    11. TFL, I think you should change the headline to “Now Available for Pre-order” or something like that to more accurately reflect that truck is not available for immediate ownership just yet.

    12. There is no way that they’re hitting that price point for a small volume plug-in hybrid. At best, the quoted price already has $10k of incentives taken off.

    13. I’m hopeful and skeptical at the same time. This thing is so ugly that it will only be purchased by fleets or Prius owners. It is just made for hippie cities like San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Denver, but pickups and cities don’t mix. Makes more sense to buy something allows stuff in the back to be secured…I call it a van.

      I am not too sure about that tax subsidy either. I suspect that in not too many years the only transportation subsidy will be for coal-powered locomotives. I did a quick search of the internet and found only one pickup, the silver one pictured here. Supposedly they are trying to drum up support to build 30 prototypes. I frankly don’t think Tesla will survive and I give these guys even less of a chance. Modern economic policy does not favor the little guy.

      Overall, it’s great to see people thinking outside the box and giving us options. I’ll be dead before you ever see me in a Workhorse, since I live in rural Alaska and electricity is absurdly expensive. If it works for your application more power to you.

      1. You don’t see Workhorse surviving?

        They have been around forever and make a huge number of work trucks that are all over the road.

        They are all around you every day on the road.

        What hole do you live in?

        1. Hal,
          I travel all over Utah, AZ, and Southern CA and have yet to see anything Workhorse on the road.

          I suppose I could Google ‘Where to see Workhorse’ on my next trips?

          The numbers of them out there must just be massive?

            1. They make a myriad of commercial vehicles like Fedex and UPS delivery trucks etc.

              They are all around, and they don’t advertise with huge WORKHORSE names on their grill.

              So don’t asset things that are not true.

              BTW, why do so many people on this site advocate things that are not true?

            2. Nope, none in my area.

              It must be too hot in the Summer or too cold in the winter or too many hills?

              Wait a minute, where can I use this thing?

    14. In the news today it appears that elon musk’s space x secret satellite was a failure. That’s a lot of his pre order customers $1500 deposit that just went up in smoke. Time for another scheme elon. “Wait till next time”. Yea ok!

      1. Wow, the amount of falsity by so many on this page is astounding.

        The rocket worked perfectly. The military capsule that held the satellite malfunctioned.

        They have no changed schedule for the rocket. It worked perfectly.

        Does anyone care about truth here?

          1. So DAn Bush,

            Do you have anything of any value to add to the discussion about the rocket?

            I didn’t think so.

            Its a free country, you are free to present your argument rather than just emote.

    15. Looks like a gm truck.

      This is more comparable to a mid size truck. 5000 lbs towing is not that impressive. 32 28 is just a little bit better than a mid size truck. For the price I don’t see much of a savings even with the tax credit.

      1. What do you mean, Its better than the colorado diesel 2×4, and quite a bit better than the 4×4. Seeing as this is 4×4 its not doing so bad. Its like 80% better than the colorado V6.

      1. Jim I will help Hal out on this one as he may be getting tired of the ignorance. This is not a concept. The W15 is coming. Let me ask you if the Ranger from Ford is a concept? Does that help? The Ram TRX was a concept. Now you know the difference.

          1. Sorry Hal and rambro I just prefer real world reviews over articles that keep coming out about cars that we can’t buy. Hal and Rambro you seem to be the number one cheerleaders for this new truck have you guys been able to drive one or are you involved with this company?

            1. I have my own engineering problems to solve.

              We have no relation to the auto industry.

              I am sure Rambro does not either.

            2. BTW, many people on this comment section work for the auto industry,


              And others are just… well, weirdos that just sit around at their computers composing perfectly spelled comments with using spell check and a keyboard.

          2. Concepts ARE “pre-production”. And “pre-production” concepts get multiple revisions or even scrapped completely before a “production” vehicle is released. You don’t get it because you know nothing about producing anything. Put down your phone and engage the real world for a change

            1. I disagree Daniel. Concepts are idea that may or may not come to fruition. The W15 is a pre-pre production vehicle which is an invention underway to be sold to the market and it is an evolution to the truck market for the general public. I will make this very clear for all to understand, the W15 is not a concept, it is being built for production as stated by Workhorse. Same as the Ranger is coming in 2019 stated by Ford.

            2. Rambro – I agree that when an automaker specifically calls something a “concept”, they don’t plan to produce it, rather, they are judging responses to particular features or design language.

              That being said, Pre-production means they “plan” to bring something to market. Plans get changed and often scrapped altogether. GM “planned” to release a baby duramax 10 years ago and they likely had “pre-production” vehicles in existence. But the “plan” got changed. Workhorse intends to produce this pickup. Whether or not everything falls into place for it to happen is yet to be seen.
              They are an established company, and they “could” do it. But the problems of the real world often interfere with what “could” be possible

            3. Daniel, I think it is because it is an evolution to the truck market that it appears to be a concept more so than a pre-production. Workhorse has been around for 10 years. Their call to production is more than valid beyond just a concept that they don’t know if it will or not be built. They have enough pre-orders to fill for already ordered fleet sales so handing it over to the general public is said to be happening and said to be ready for 2019. That goes beyond the word idea or concept even if it gets squashed by some natural disaster or production constraint. This is not some Joe-Blow that said they are bringing something to production, it is a reputable company.

        1. You can’t believe everything you read on the internet. The biggest difference here is the fact that they’re ready to take your money and you can’t buy the vehicle yet which immediately triggers off my Spidey senses. I have a big problem with companies that are over-promising and under-delivering I don’t care which companies it is. I just don’t think that’s a good way to go about doing business. Now maybe they can deliver on a 2019 date but as you say they have been around forever and still only have a pre-production one off.

      1. “Workhorse CEO Steve Burns thinks his firm stands a better chance than other electric-vehicle upstarts for several reasons. One is the sheer economics of it: Fleet buyers look at a 20-year picture for operating costs, he says. That includes public utilities, from which Workhorse has already seen interest and taken orders. Workhorse anticipates that for those keeping inside the 80-mile range of the W-15’s all-electric driving mode, the truck will earn back its premium in just two years. The company projects that over 20 years, a single such truck will save a commercial fleet operator $170,000.”

        And Ryder is contracted to handle sales and service(huge network).

        So, the 2 cylinder BMW engine from the BMW i3 hybrid is not going to make production.

        “In the production truck, the BMW twin will be swapped out for a larger engine—a 1.5-liter turbo three-cylinder—so that it can keep up with range-extending duties without cutting into performance.”

        The carbon fiber panels are easily swapped out if damaged. But they are stronger than aluminum or steel panels on pickups today.

            1. Jim, not enough information to say they are the same. Stronger than aluminum and steel and lighter and they don’t rust or dent sounds like some excellent advantages.

            2. No, no , Saturn was plastic panels.

              Saturn was by the way a fantastic company and engineering triumph.

              A $10,000 car with an aluminum space frame and plastic fenders. Nothing to rust.

              99.9 percent of all the parts were built all in the one Saturn manufacturing plant(not just assembled, but all built there too).

              Very few Saturn buyers knew how special their Saturn was. No other car is made like that.

              But then it just cost GM too much to pay for the plant, and they had repetitious divisions in the company, so they had to start making generic Saturns that were not built there, and the quality went down to just a stupid American small car, and the nae plate all fell apart.

              Incredible engineering innovation, though.

            3. Oh, at the time, you couldn’t buy an all aluminum space frame car for less than around $60,000. Quite an expensive care back then.

    16. If Hal and Rambro had a love-child they would be the kid at school getting picked on for raising their hand all of the time with the wrong answer. They would also love to smell their own farts.

      1. It actually has a fantastic front crumple zone if you were to do your own research a little and.

        Everyone, stop asking others to do all the research for you and grow up a little.

        Be a man.

    17. Soooooo, what happens when the batteries are all used up and you are trying to tow that 5000 lb trailer up a 10 mile 7% grade? Does the range extender supply 460 hp to the electric motors or are you sitting at some reduced power level going 10 mph because its a tiny little 4 cylinder?

      1. Basically, if i decide to go pull my 5500 GVWR travel trailer is this thing going to be running the range extender 100% of the time in an attempt to keep the batteries charged, even coasting downhill?

        1. If you cant figure it out Jay then the truck is not for you. If it doesnt work for you then buy something else. What if I own a Sierra Denali or a Tundra and I need to haul 1700Lbs and tow 5000Lbs? How can I do that legally. How can I get 75mpge when running empty? If I dont need to climb Mount Everest in a single sweep then my only choice will be a 2019 W15. No other truck can do it. It pays for itself in two years in typical fleet applications.

          1. I asked a legitimate question, no reason to get butt-hurt. I live in Utah and have a lot of big hills to climb and large distance to cover. What does the range extender supply for HP? I am guessing its not 460hp out of a 1.5L turbo. So if its say, 200 to 250 hp, what happens to my batteries under high loads like towing a 5k lb brick at 65mph? If my batteries are exhausted from extended climbs, am i only left with the power that the extender provides?

            My trailer’s dry weight is 4100 so I could keep it 5k or under if I wanted too. This is why I am asking the question.

            1. I know and I responded to what you call Butt hurt. It was a legitimate response. You took it the wrong way. The only way to know what you are asking is to watch real world testing. I am sure the batteries are being charged on the way down the hills too, so you have to account for that. You would need to know the exact power being used, your speed, the resistance and a myriad of other geeked out paramaters to figure this out. How fast the generator charges. Real world crash testing is required if you will, but I am sure you can find a scenario where you buy another truck that suits you better for a specific task.

    18. As of March 2018 my electric rates will be.
      0 to 310 kw = 22.5 cents per kw
      311 to apx 1300 kWh = 30 cents per kWh.

      Above 1300 it will be in excess of 40 cents per kwh.

      My understanding is that if you PAY for a electric automobile meter you must be on time of use billing. Also remember that if you have 2 electric cars they must share the same meter or you must PAY to instal a third meter. For most people who get the electric car rebate. That money is spent on the meter installation. The meter must be installed by a licensed electrician. These licensed electricians know how much rebate is given.

      I have solar cells that more than cover my home use. But in no way would cover my car use.

      My solar cell lease costs $6.66 per 345 watt panel per month.

      My solar cells only produce during the day so I would require a 7000 dollar battery to back up to my solar cells.

      My home is 20 years old so fairly good insulation and dual pain windows.

      I used about 9500 kWh last year.

      I have a 2004 Kia spectra and a 1980 f150 and did not spend any more than 500 dollars in gas last year.

      Gasoline price is going up. But so is the price of electricity.

      It will not take long for the electric grid to be over loaded.

      Consider this example.
      ATT is trying to get all their Uverse tv costumers to go to direct tv so they can free up their system so it can handle the gig byte internet they are installing in my area.

      Our infrastructure can not handle giga byte internet and internet tv at the same time.

      The same is going to happen with electricity if we get a bunch of electric cars.

      1. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

        Again and again, and again!

        You don’t have to plug this truck in!

        It has a gas generator!

        This is the umpteenth time this has been stated clearly here.

      1. There was some huge spike at the beginning of the year Dan. Taking a look throughout the whole year they are pretty stable and up 11% in the past 3 months. Maybe now is the time to buy. Market is a scary place right now.

        1. Rambro

          This vehicle has a ICE engine and a
          Electrical plug.

          MPGe relies on the vehicle being plugged.
          If not topped off by the plug your going to get considerably less than 40 mpg.

          That’s an expensive truck for just 30mpg.

          1. Most people don’t tow all day every day at the full payload and towing.

            But if you do, you are still ignoring the benefits of 30 mpg and less emissions and less costly maintenance.

            And $45,000 is not very expensive compared to todays trucks.

            1. Where do you get the idea that it will have less emissions? HELLO! It’s still an ice engine generating the power

            2. The truck gets 30 to 40 mpg, and uses no gas if you want to plug it in.

              What is difficult to figure out about that?

    19. Ram bro
      I support electric motors. But not the current batteries being used.

      How is Tesla’s factory going to respond if there is a breakthrough in solid state batteries.

      My money is on the fuel cell.

      I can wait.

    20. If each of the billion cars on the road were replaced today with a Tesla Model X, 14 million tonnes of cobalt would be needed—twice global reserves. Even a more realistic scenario for people to drive 30 million electric cars by 2030 requires output to be more than trebled, according to a study commissioned by Glencore from commodity analysts CRU Group.

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