• Jeep Wrangler Pickup: Only Midsize Truck with Open Top, Solid Axles, Folding Windshield, and a Hybrid?

    2019 jeep scrambler wrangler prototype midsize pickup truck
    Jeep Wrangler pickup prototype [Photo: Real Fast Photography]
    What if the upcoming 2019 Jeep Wrangler pickup truck (unofficially known as 2019 Scrambler) was the only midsize pickup truck with a convertible open roof, solid front and rear axles, folding windshield, a turbo-diesel engine, and a possible 2.0L turbocharged engine with a mild 48-volt electric hybrid system? It would be a very interesting proposition. If the 2018 Jeep Wrangler JL is any indication, this is all very possible and may be very well integrated together.

    This prototype looks big next to a Ford F150

    Here is a report that suggests that the upcoming 2019 Wrangler-based pickup truck will be called Jeep Scrambler.  There are also leaked documents that claim that the Scrambler will have three open top versions: black hard-roof removable panels (aka. Wrangler Freedom top), body-color removable panels, and a black Sunrider soft top. Maximum towing capability on the new Scrambler is said to be up to 6,500 lbs.

    Check out this video to see how fast the soft top and the windshield can be folded on a Wrangler JL.

    If you are wondering how the Jeep Wrangler 2.0T eTorque hybrid system performs? Wonder no more, check out this first driver 0-60 MPH Wrangler JL review.

    Andre Smirnov
    Andre Smirnov
    Andre Smirnov is an Automotive Enthusiast, Producer, Reviewer, Videographer, Writer, Software Engineer, Husband, Father, and Friend.

    60 thoughts on “Jeep Wrangler Pickup: Only Midsize Truck with Open Top, Solid Axles, Folding Windshield, and a Hybrid?

      1. There is not reason they cant, but they wont because I am sure they know they can get it because its a Jeep Wrangler Pickup.

      2. Again, that’s no Jeep. Too long wheelbase, too long overhang.
        Very disappointing.
        IF we wanted a long midsized truck, we have that.

        1. It will have better approach angles. It will have similar or better departure angles as competitors. Breakover may even surpass competitors due to larger standard tires (32 or 33″) and ability to fit 35’s on the stock rubicon.

          ON the new JL they increased wheelbase over the outgoing JK while still decreasing turning radius due to wider track width.

          And it will have solid axles, disconnecting sway bar, lower crawl ratios, as well as the options listed in this article for different top configurations as well as flip down windshield and removable doors. Basically most the goodies as the new JL wrangler with a box.

          So we DON’T already have a midsized truck offering like this. If your only complaint is the longer wheelbase, then that’s pretty good. If they had left the wheelbase shorter, then the box would be shorter. Then you’d probably be complaining about lack of bed length so it couldn’t be called a midsize truck…

          1. I would like to see a super cab version, or even a standard cab. That should shorten the wheelbase a couple feet. Not all of us have kids to haul around.

            1. The JKU outsells the JK 2 to 1. If they want to make money, they have to have a crew. A regular cab would be a nice option, but with a very low take rate.

              A JKU has a similar or longer wheelbase than a Tahoe. But which is better offroad? There is more to it than wheelbase, folks.

      3. From a per-unit standpoint, it costs about the same as a JLU to build. The few extra pounds of metal don’t make a real difference. Volume should be sufficient to for reasonable parts cost on the unique components. The market will dictate the price- probably 30-40k base, just like the Tacoma and Colorado.

        From what KL Wrangler Forum published, the JT Scrambler will have one of 2 V6’s (1 gas, 1 diesel), but no 4cylinder engines.

    1. I don’t think we’ll see 6500 towing with an open top, or soft top. We might see it in a conventional hardtop.

      Dodge Dakota was the first mid-size convertible pickup, but I think that was back in the 80s. It only lasted a year or two. I had a ’92 V8 Dakota, but it suffered from excessive wheelspin. It was otherwise very reliable and very easy to work on, but I am getting too off-topic.

      I bet the diesel comes later on, maybe a year after intro.

      Honda wanted to have the first hybrid pickup, but maybe Jeep beat them to it. I don’t think we’ll see it in the Ridgeline until 2019 (2020 model refresh).

    2. I loved my 08 JK 2 dr. Downside,way too small.Upside = total animal off road. The 3.8 wasn’t very efficient,and really didn’t have much low end grunt,where I really needed it when out prospecting way out in the hills.

      Would I buy another? Not a 2 door,but I would,and will,consider an unlimited in the future along with the scrambler.
      Would I go with the diesel option? No,not now.

      1. I think the price on a JL Unlimited diesel rubicon will be unreal. I will guess upwards of 45k based on current JK Unlimited Rubi prices.

        But you know people will be down at the Jeep dealers beating down the doors to get one.

        1. The JLU R is just over 40k. The automatic trans (required for the diesel)adds $2k, and on the Ram, the diesel (same engine) is a $4k upcharge over the pentastar V6. Plus destination charge- $47,500 without checking any other boxes. BUT- it can fit 35’s without any modifications, and 37’s with a 2-3″ lift. That diesel will pull them around no problem.

          1. The clutch on the manual transmission is flawed. Very vague take up. Not good for off-roading.

            When the windshield goes down, the A pillars remain. So no visibility advantage(just an insulting gimmick).

            1. The clutch they tested in Australia was an earlier version. Production clutches will have a different engagement, per Mortortrend questioning Jeep engineers.

            2. The whole folding windshield is a gimmick- always has been. The gearing in the new manual is so deep, you shouldn’t need to mess with the clutch.

          2. I know the turbo gas motors make more torque at lower rpm’s than the diesel variants. Litre for litre the turbo gas motors are better than the diesel variants for pulling power at low rpm’s, we see this with the new 2.0 in the Jeep and the 2.9 in the Audi and the 2.0 in the Santa Fe and Kia Stinger and Ford makes big torque although at a bit higher rpm for the Ford motors.

            Also where will they put the def Tank. Remember where GM put it, might get damaged off roading and you have this extra weight plus the added weight of the diesel engine. How is added weight going to help you off road? And the re-gen when off road is going to be a problem and many will modify the diesel and this will be a pollution problem for others exposed to the exhaust proven to cause birth defects and organ failures in the UK and banned altogether from European cities.

            1. Gasoline turbos have their day of reckoning soon- particulate emission requirements. Def tank can easily fit outboard of the frame, midship, without protruding.

          3. Well, yeah. The diesel is overpowered for a JL or JLU. With a 3500 lb towing capacity that 260hp/442 ft-lb diesel wont ever have to downshift out of 8th.

          1. An entry level Tahoe is is a hell of a lot nicer than a Wrangler Rubicon and is physically a lot more vehicle. Even if they were just making you pay for the cost of steel/aluminum the Tahoe should be more.

            1. A hell of a lot nicer at doing what? For hauling people, yes. For going offroad, no. They’re designed for different purposes obviously, so it depends on what is valuable to the customer, which was my point. Knocking this jeep for being too expensive (for a top of the line model) while at the same price point you couldn’t even buy a base trim tahoe or expedition is silly.

              A diesel JT Rubicon will need to be priced competitively with a ZR2 diesel crew cab. They can probably ask about 5k more though due to it being a “Jeep” and the other features the ZR2 doesn’t have.

            2. But what about a wrangler is so costly for FCA to produce? Thats my point.

              Yes, people are willing to pay for it, and thats the only reason its so expensive.

    3. It looks like its almost as long and wide as the F150 in the picture, just shorter. TFL seems to point this out in the caption too.

      1. The wheelbase is longer than the competition, mostly because of the front axle location. Dimensions are all very close to the AEV JK Brute, with both axles slightly forward on the JT.

      2. It is stopped much earlier than the F150. The photo is taken from a deceptive angle. The cab height does look nearly as tall. Those also look to be at least 32″ tires.

        Width is probably similar, as the JL grew in width.

        I would not be opposed to this being sized as a largish midsize, similar to the dakota, which was more of a light 1/2 ton trying to be a midsized. It is Jeeps only truck, and shouldn’t cannibalize Ram 1/2 ton too much.

    4. I am impressed with, what FCA has done. I can’t wait for new RAM 1500 and Jeep Scrambler pickup.
      Competition is shaking in the heels already.

        1. And solid axles actually are terrible and blow up on washboard roads. Which is a large proportion of the roads where most people go off-road.
          Don’t believe me, google “ridgeline” “torture test”.

          1. “solid axles are terrible and blow up on washboard roads”

            I guess that’s why every full size pickup truck ever made is constantly “blowing up” their rear axles then….oh wait

            1. On Washboard roads they are. Especially when they have the off-road packages with softer suspension(paradoxically).
              And these Jeeps are softer off-road suspensions. The shocks blow up all the time.

              Go google “ridgeline” and “torture test” and come back for a chat.

            2. Yeah, those Semi trucks supporting the oil production industry across the world are always “blowing” their axles too. Darn idiot manufacturers never listen to Hal

          2. You should probably get the award for stupidest comment of the month.
            1.) Solid axles do not just “blow up” on washboard roads.Tens of thousands of jeeps and pickups can attest to this.
            2.) In the “ridgeline torture test” they were in death valley where it was VERY hot. They were also using the wrong shocks for the application. Their silly street shocks and monotubes are not for desert use. ANYONE who spends time playing in the desert uses remote reservoirs, so EXACTLY this doesn’t happen. To be clear in your ignorance (or stupidity) you blamed the axle for a problem with an improperly equipped shock on a vehicle.
            Finally 3.) THE RIDGELINE BLEW A SHOCK TOO. So solid axle tacoma loses two shocks, ridgeline loses one shock, and somehow solid axles are “terrible and blow up”? GTFO. I amend my statement above, you’re not ignorant, just stupid.

            1. By your own observation, the independent suspension works better than the solid axle on washboard. Why do you then contradict your self? Maybe your pride and emotional thinking gets in the way?
              There is no other logical explanation.
              All the vehicles in that torture test had off-road packages excepting the Ridgeline, and it performed better. But that is no surprise, since any engineer will tell you that solid axles are too heavy to be hold up as well in a washboard situation, and don’t do as well as independent suspension which is lighter and does not throw its weight into the shock near as violently.
              Might want to clear up your thinking there.

            2. Sean, you originally stated that solid axles blow up all the time, not shocks. Reality is there aren’t shocks blowing up all the time. And people aren’t stupid enough to fly down deserts roads with large rocks and washboards in an personal vehicle. My truck is 14 years old and only has 125,000 miles. But drive on washboard and gravel roads all the time. Still on the original shocks that came with the offroad package.

              So if they had taken a honda civic down the same road, and didn’t lose any shocks, you would argue that the civic is far superior to the ridgeline?

          3. Even the 2016 or 17 Tacoma Off-road they used in that torture test had shocks overheat and “blow up”.

    5. I ave to and it to FCA in that at least they are taking chances from a design standpoint. Good for them. I look forward to seeing this in person.

    6. Jeep made a pickup once and they stop selling it… bound to repeat the same mistake under new ownership I guess. It will be very successful initially though.

      1. When you say Jeep made a pickup once. Do you mean the Comanche, the Scrambler, the Commando, The Gladiator or the Jeep FC?

      1. It’s next step from sunroof. Sunroof on steroids. It reminds me driving my modular helmet opened. I could point out hundreds of offroad reasons,but don’t expect this feature on Kia Sportage anytime soon.

      2. Whats the purpose of having a convertible?
        Whats the purpose of having a sunroof?
        Whats the purpose of being able to role windows down?
        Whats the purpose of owning a motorcycle? Why is the sky blue?

        1. Generally, you dont get hit in the face by road debris and bugs when your convertible, sunroof, or windows are open. And I would hope you have a full face helmet on when riding a motorcycle. If you dont, well, you probably think folding windshields are cool too.

          1. It’s for offroad slow moving situations in hot weather. It’s a Jeep and I am absolutely sure, that Jeep purist would criticize FCA for the rest of the life, if this feature is gone.
            My last helmet is modular. I had full face helmet before and wouldn’t go back. Ever. I always flip up the chin with visor ,when waiting at the red light. I enjoy the street noise and life, you don’t experience,when in the car, or full face helmet.
            It takes one second to flip it up and down . That extra breeze is priceless. It’s better to have an options , than don’t.
            Extra visibility when offroading with Jeep is priceless for someone as well. Not to mention the senses of nature, when driving without a roof , or windshields. It’s completely different life experience. I feel disconnected from outside world, when driving a truck compare to motorcycle. You should try it once. For starters, roll down all the windows, when driving in the city, in the nice weather. All of them. I did that several times and turned off air-conditioning. You wouldn’t believe, what you are missing and you would drive slower as well, or you might think, you go much faster.
            I did roll all the windows down few times and run heater , just to test and please my senses in colder weather.

            1. I have to clarify, this Jeep feature is not for the city driving , but I have seen several times doors removed.

            2. Right, but its full face when your riding is it not? If you take a spill while your visor is up, your face probably wont feel to good.

              I have owned a motorcycle and realized I was asking to die and stopped.

            3. It’s modular helmet, so I can flip my visor up and if I want to spill anything or drink, I flip the chin on hinges with visor together up. It looks like open face helmet and I can drive like that if I want to.
              It’s easy to put on and remove as well.
              Just to be clear.

          2. I’ve been hit in the chest with a rock the popped off a semi trailer while driving my motorcycle. Fun times.

            Point was that not all options make sense to everyone. Buy it you like it, don’t buy it if you don’t see the point. Personally i think it’s pretty cool.

            I have no reason to own a 3row convertible 1980 Scout traveler, but the fact that it was an option at one point in history is still pretty neat.

            1. I’ve got one to the visor, going rougly 80Mph. It’s pretty loud.Must have been painful to the chest. Even heavy insects is not fun to the legs. LOL.
              I still like it. Can’t wait for summer.

      3. I always thought it was a carryover from wartime use. Bullet or shrapnel cracks windshield, drop it down for visibility. Run out of washer fluid or wiper blades and no backup supplies for a few weeks? Drop down the windshield. Too many holes and divots in the windshield from following that deuce-and-a-half too closely down a war trail? Drop the windshield. Need to fire your M16 at a target in front of you? Drop the windshield.

        In civilian life, it could have advantages in technical off-roading, or camping in the desert or boonies for several weeks. But I think it is mostly tradition at this point.

        1. In other words, its a gimmick to get sales from the dumb that can’t figure out why they have it and won’t ever use it, and if they do they will find a hole in their head(an additional hole to the one in their head that thought this was a good thing to engineer into their off-road vehicle).

    Comments are closed.