• How Fast is the 2018 Ford F150 3.5L EcoBoost V6 at 0-60 MPH? We Run It Six Times in a Row (Video)

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    2018 Ford F150: 3.5L EcoBoost v6

    How quick is the most torquey 2018 Ford F-150 at 0-60 MPH acceleration? This truck is powered by the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 and paired to a 10-speed automatic transmission. Previously, TFL ran this F-150 against the Ford Raptor in a drag race, and the F-150 seemed to be slowing down after consecutive runs, although it was able to beat the mighty Raptor.

    This time, we wanted to measure the acceleration runs and get the precise numbers.

    The 2018 F-150 offers a great variety of configurations and capabilities. The 3.5L twin-turbo V6 in this truck is rated at 375 hp and 470 lb-ft of torque. This is the most torque of any half-ton full-size pickup truck. The F-150 can also be configured with a 3.3L V6, a 2.7L EcoBoost V6, or a 5.0L V8. We are planning to test more versions of the F-150 in the near future.

    One would expect any vehicle to show signs of strain during rigorous testing, and six consecutive acceleration runs is a tough test for any pickup truck.

    With Andre behind the wheel, the truck in 4 wheel drive automatic (4A) mode, Sport driving mode, and traction/stability control disabled, the truck ran 0-60 times of: (1.) 6.60, (2.) 6.73, (3.) 6.64, (4.) 6.79, (5.) 6.90, and (6.) 6.63 at a mile above sea level at our test facility (IMI Motorsports).

    The truck excelled under pressure of six consecutive runs. Check out the video below for all the details.

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    100 thoughts on “How Fast is the 2018 Ford F150 3.5L EcoBoost V6 at 0-60 MPH? We Run It Six Times in a Row (Video)

        1. This is the first time they have ever done a video like this. What prompted them, you say?
          they experienced problems the first time they did it. They did not experience it with other trucks.
          And the statistics are in on the ecobost. People are seeing an unusual amount of failure with the ecoboost engines, depending on how they use them.
          So, this kind of criticism is not getting old. It is all too fresh for too many people. Usually young people who have not discovered the difference between a Ford and a Toyota.

          1. Who? The people I hear bad mouthing the ecoboost are the ones who have never owned one. It seems really strange to me that Ford is riding the Ecoboost wave to increased market share and getting repeat buyers if the engines are SO bad.

            I’m not saying they havent been without issues in the past, but its far from plagued with issues like people suggest.

            And if it were SO bad, why are the consumer reports ratings on the F150 as good or better than Ram and GM 1500’s? Why is the Customer satisfaction better than both?

            Must be because Ford owners are stoopid.

            1. Those Consumer Reports ratings are heavily weighted towards infotainment systems that affect the overall scores. Recently, the Fords have upgraded their infotainment and have made their overall scores much higher now. But if you do a more comprehensive study of the powertrains, the Fords do not do as well as the other brands. And it is the engine and transmission that are the most important parts by far. And if you are going to try to take on Toyota with their engine and transmission quality with Ford’s, well, you just are picking a losing competition.

            2. Oh, and I am not being harsh by saying that Ford owners are stupid. Stupid people value infotainment systems over the more important components of a vehicle–like the engine and transmission.
              I am just being matter of fact. If the TRUTH makes you mad, then maybe you should consider that you may be stupid.

            3. Just traded my 2013 F150 Limited in on a 2017 Platinum. My Ltd had just over 10K miles on it. Always hated the turbo lag. HORRIBLE MPG! Already averaging 2 MPG better around town from my 5.0 that doesn’t even have 800 miles on it yet. And I LOVE that exhaust note. Kinda wish I would have held off for the new transmission but I don’t really put too many miles on as one can see about my 2013. Just my two cents worth. Sometimes I wonder how many posters have actually had both engines? Obviously I have as well as that slug they called a 5.4

            4. “It seems really strange to me that Ford is riding the Ecoboost wave to increased market share and getting repeat buyers if the engines are SO bad.”

              The F-150 didn’t lose too many sales during the ugly 5.4 Triton era. That engine was terrible but brand loyalty kept them selling. New truck sales aren’t the right indicator. It’s how well they sell when they’re 5 years old and well outside the warranty. What are the resale values like on an F-150 EB that has no warranty and approaching 100k miles? Those were always indicators of why the 2nd gen Tacoma had such great resale values. You could buy a 5 or 10 year old Tacoma and know that the 4.0L V6 isn’t going to be an issue, even if it has over 200k miles on it generally speaking.

              Not so with a 3.5 EB. at 100k, you can expect issues like the mechanical high-pressure fuel pump going bad, the timing chain stretching, the VVT solenoid or cam phasers developing an issue, the blow-off valves integrated into the turbos begin to develop issues, turbo seals begin to be a concern, etc.

            5. Well, I give up. I’m gunna go trade in my ecoboost right now cause some people on the internet told me they will blow up at 100k

            6. Rammins, you spend way to much time reading other ecoboost troll post or you make your own up. I say this because I found many errors in your post, even about stuff that don’t even exist on a ecoboost engine. Made up parts are a dead giveaway that a poster doesn’t know what he or she is even talking about.

            7. Christopher Adams, the 2017 still has the good exhaust note. I don’t think you would have like the 5.0 in 2018. TFL did an exhaust note a few months ago asking us which truck was what between the V6 2.7, 3.5, 3.3 and 5.0 and the V8 sounds like the V6 now, you could barely tell them apart. IT was SAD

            8. I agree. We traded in our 2011 f150 5.0 witch never had a single issue for a 2016 f150 lariat 2.7 eccoboost witch has a little over 40k on it now and once again (not a single issue) absolutely love it and would recommend it to anyone. And we do tow a 2 horse bumper pull horse trailer with it

          2. I’m just curious. Do you even own or have ever owned a 3.5L ecoboost? Because I do own one and I have many friends that do and they have never had any issues with their ecoboost engines, neither have I! I’m currently at 108,000 really hard miles and I regularly tow 10k to 20k with mine, yes I know that’s too much but it just goes to prove how good these engines are. In fact my truck does not burn any oil in 10,000 miles which is shocking to all mechanics, including my own.

            1. Rammins and all the rest of you Ecoboost haters are just jealous little babies that you’re not driving something this powerful or it whoops ass on your truck or current vehicle!

              Fact is this thread isn’t even about a 5.0 V8 or other engines. It’s about 0-60 times and consistancy which this proves is dead on reliable and accurate!

              The 5.0 V8 is a great engine no doubt and really sounds great. However, it has the potential for the same mechanical issues as an Ecoboost.

              The 5.0 V8 has cam phazers, timing chains that stretch, 2 extra pistons, 8 extra valves, more cramped engine bay, and about 1/2 the low end torque band all with less certified EPA mileage!

              Diesel trucks have turbo chargers, blowoff/waste gate valves, and many more complex emissions hardware that give issues way before a turbocharger ever does.

              Bottom line, you guys sound little negative whiners everytime an Ecoboost does something very well!

              Let’s sit back and watch the na V8’s do these 0-60 tests at TFL’s track and see what happens?

              My guess is they get their asses handed to them again by the Ecoboost! My guess is the V8’s can’t beat the 2.7tt with 10spd!

              Now that’s embarrassing and an actual accomplishment at the same time that I’m certain will get you guys to start some propaganda and more whining!

              Just enjoy how amazingly fast these new trucks are!!!

              Most of you guys have never even driven a 2nd gen Ecoboost – you just sit around and rehash every little negative rumor you’ve heard.

              Well, I have driven them all and my previous 1/2 ton trucks have been of every major brand, mostly Toyota’s and I still own one(2007)Tundra.

              Tundra has its share of problems just as noted by other, cam tower leaks, spark plug seals on head leak oil into spark plugs, frame rust, bed bounce/frame hop on certain roads, cheap interior, seat cushions that wear quickly, and my biggest complaint – a rear tailgate that bends if you try to load ATV’s into it!

              WTF was Toyota thinking when the put the tailgates supports where they did???

              However, the 2.7tt Ecoboost that I have now is superior in every way except one? It has 35k miles on it and has had a small oil pan leak since new.

              Ford keeps changing them out, but it keeps coming back. I attribute this to the rushed warranty work being done.

              2.7tt has better towing power, faster, waaaaay better mileage, better brakes, more payload, a built in brake controller with sway control, a locking rear differential, 100x’s more quite and relaxing, and much smoother more precise handling!

              Enjoy these videos for the great entertainment that they are!!!

            2. You either do not tow 20K with your F150 or you have modified it to such a substantial degree that it doesn’t belong in a conversation about stock truck reliability.

            3. Wrong Jeeper,

              Its got 35k miles on it and my towing is at 65% currently. Truck keeps track of it every time I plug in a trailer.

              I regularly tow between 4,000lbs to 8500lbs.

            4. I was replying to Old Bessie, not you. He/she claimed to tow up to 20k lbs, which is not remotely believable. I completely believe you tow 4-8.5k lbs, ecobosot F150s work very well at towing loads in that range. 20K is a completely different story though.

    1. What I’m really curious about is whether the Coyote or 3.5EB is faster- at sea level. The 10 speed should be able to keep the V8 in its (narrower) power band.

      1. That is a good question. If anything I bet it will be close. The 5.0L has a great power band for a NA engine and I bet a 10 speed would utilize that power even better. Similar to how the 8 speed made a huge difference to GM’s 5.3L.

      2. The EcoBoost is most definitely going to be quicker. The 5.0L is a great engine…but noticeably slower. I’d bet the little 2.7L is quicker than the 5.0L. It always was in the 2015-2017 trucks. You simply cannot beat the torque curve of these turbos.

        1. Troverman – – –

          T: “You simply cannot beat the torque curve of these turbos.”

          Except with an electric motor. Imagine that EcoBoost running as a “parallel hybrid” with one.


          1. The 5.0 would probably be as fast or faster. The only part of a race the 3.5 will have an advantage is out of the hole, but from what I have seen on the stock 1/4 mile times, they seem to be using a good amount of torque management on the 3.5 and its killing it on the holeshot.

            Now, if you tuned both trucks its no even a contest. The 3.5 would destroy it.

            1. I’m not sure why you think the only part of the race the 3.5 would have an advantage is out of the hole. The 3.5L has a much better torque curve. The 5.0L generates more power but needs to rev considerably higher to hit peak HP and peak torque. While the 5.0L is still revving to reach peak power…the 3.5L has already shifted into the next gear and is once again producing more torque. The 10-speed does not skip shifts under wide open throttle.
              Torque management is possible (the 10-speed can only support 800lb-ft of torque at its input shaft…actual engine torque is effectively doubled through the torque converter when it is unlocked). So with max torque being produced in 1st gear with an unlocked torque converter…the input shaft would be “feeling” 940lb-ft or as much as 1,020lb-ft in the Raptor.

            2. Because once they are at the top of first gear, which is very brief with the 10 speed, the 5.0 will be at its hp peak and will be at a 25 hp advantage the rest of the race. I’m guessing the ecoboost will get ahead at the beginning and the 5.0 will start running it down.

          2. Motor, batteries, and electrical hardware add weight and take up a lot of space, and can cause heat management issues if a lot of that hardware is under the hood. I’m all in favor of using electric city delivery trucks, but I have no interest in owning a hybrid or anything powered solely by a battery.

            1. What do you think that purpose of going aluminum and shedding 700 pounds was for? Electric is coming soon…
              What I don’t understand is why did Ford dial down the power in the 5.0 for the f-150?

    2. I have to wonder if the original test really had a drop off in performance. This was pretty consistent but we don’t know what to cool down time was in between. But in reality back to back drag runs should be avoided due to heat soak. In any engine.

      1. @Jimmy Johns: Perhaps TFLTruck should use a scan gauge type of device to take actual temperature measurements, etc.
        Would be a nice addition to Ike runs, acceleration runs, etc..

        1. their obd2 reader is definitely under utilized. would be interesting to see instantaneous numbers at the bottom and top of hill for air flow (lb/min) and fuel flow (g/hr). you might even be able to auto calculate air density.

          For this test it would of been interesting to read intake air temps

      1. You do have to be cautious on power braking. Ford does have software to reduce power under those conditions to keep from building to much heat in the torque converter. It really depends on TFT but it is there.

    3. That is quick. But I still think it is a useless measure of a trucks ability. Heck, any vehicles ability.

      A unloaded truck should be measured 30mph to 70 mph.

      A loaded truck should be tested 30mph to 70 mph.

      A truck pulling a trailer should be tested 30mph to 70mph for you crazy driving states.

      And trailer towing 30mph to 55mph for those like California.

      These tests would measure freeway merging ability. That would be a useful measurement.

      0 to 60 only measures stop light drag racing.

        1. Daniel (and others) – – –

          Please see the sales analyses through October, at the bottom of this comments page (November 13, 2017 at 9:10 pm).

          Let me know if you have questions or if I wasn’t clear…Bernie


        1. The rolling tests are as much about the transmission tuning as they are the engine power. You can find some interesting surprises. Turbo motors in particular can suffer from lag, not only in spooling the turbos but in waiting for the Trans to downshift first.

          Rolling tests can overcome the lack of low rpm torque in many NA engines

            1. I am being semi sarcastic, but part of the beauty of the ecoboost is that when I am towing, i rarely need to exceed 3000 rpm.

            2. I have a first gen 3.5 ecoboost (not f150) and it’s a riot to drive but it sometimes stumbles around deciding to downshift or not and in those cases I can have a second or more of seeming nothing then it rockets away with anger and a bit of torque steer. It’s entertaining but not necessarily going to post great numbers

    4. Averaging out to be 6.75 somewhere in there. Dam quick for sure. I wonder what the ambit temperature was for both tests? That info didn’t get published for some reason.

      1. Another thing I didn’t post that I have posted in the past the transmission 1st gear is 4:69 which is much higher than any 6 spd. This is one big reason why it is really quick off the line. Since this truck has 3:55 I’m sure the one with 3.73 would be much quicker.

        1. Maybe. Or it could suffer because the first gear would be so short.

          Its like when drag racers put a supercharger on a car and gear up so they can better use the power.

          1. I believe in this case “the real Jay s” I believe it would be quicker. I do understand the drag racing thing, but I believe it wouldn’t be that much short. Just enough it would be quicker.

            1. The 3:73 gears are only available in a work truck trim. I agree with Marc on posting the weather conditions. It would be so easy to mark down the weather, It is available right on their phones. Just add it to the article, it is a no brainer.

            2. rambro, the 3.73s are available up to Lariat trim with the HD payload package. It’s not just lower trims.

    5. I think these new trucks have a good amount of torque management going on off the line. Guys with tuned 1st gen ecoboosts could regularly cut 1.5-1.6 second 60′ powerbraking in 4×4. These trucks seem to have a very hard time breaking 2 seconds in stock form.

    6. They need to stop power braking in all their tests. That’s not how these trucks are normally driven.

      There is plenty of material out there on drag racing if that’s what your into. But most people don’t want to drag race their daily driver.

      If anything test both ways.

    7. Ecoboob is quick but thirsty.
      10 SPD will benefit narrower powerband of 5.0 more.
      Boob is not as reliable as v8.
      Boob great at altitude not so much in lower 48….
      0-60 all about traction & launch. Roll on and trap speed tells you what is fast though auto trans shifting will affect rolls if so equipped.

    8. Its not that any truck (excluding Ram) is necessarily bad. Every owner has different needs. I’m a former Tundra owner and current Eco Boost owner. If I were to be the kind of guy that drove a truck 6+ years you make the no brainer decision of 5.0 F-150, Tundra, or GM twin. But because Uncle Sam takes what I don’t write off I drive a Tuned Ecoboost because it’s the most alive engine out there. It’s still a little early to know the true longevity of these engines but I’ll be onto a new one before it’s time to find out.

        1. My wife and I are small business owners so the goal is to show as close to $0 profit per year as possible. We usually have a vehicle 100% depreciated after 3 years. You’re not necessarily saving, but opting to spend your money on a new vehicle and writing it off instead of paying taxes. Someone will get your money regardless so you might as well get something out of the deal.

    9. @The Original Jay S and Rammins:
      Ok, I’ll list the Tundra’s problems:
      * Multi generation frame rust for both Tacoma and Tundra
      * AIP failures
      * Front Axle/differential problems
      * Sub par paint
      * Cam tower leak (developed after 3 years in production)
      * Pickup bed rust
      * Water Pump failures
      * Rear axle bearings

      Those are what come to mind. Now, if you ask Toyota’s light truck chief engineer about those problems he’ll tell you “Not ours or TSB”. Also, the CE claims the 4.7 liter million mile Tundra only had two timing chain replacements…

      So the fact is, all manufactured vehicles will have their problems.

        1. Getting old quick Hal. I believe it was stated above quite well by one post that the true longevity of the Ecoboost engines have yet to be truely determined. What i can tell you is that i see quite a few for regular service that have 100k plus, some close to 200k or over. I think much if their longevity will come down to how well they were maintained. I’ll tell you right now from an independant shop, I’ve seen just as many or more Chevy 6.2’s, or 5.7 hemi’s with problems than Ecoboosts 2011 or newer. That is only in reference to trucks, not that it would change my statement much.

          1. Are you saying if you maintain and fix the ecoboost when something goes wrong, by paying the independent mechanic lots of extra money that the ecoboost can last a long time?
            Thank you captain obvious.
            Or should I say, thank you independent mechanic who loves Fords because they generate the most income for mechanics.
            Mechanics love Fords.
            How did I know you would turn out to be a mechanic making money working on Fords? How did I know?

            1. I implied pretty obviously that anything mechanical will fail withput proper maintenance. You can try to read whatever you want into it. The fact of the matter is anyone who blatantly brand bashes ANY brand exclusively is an ignorant fool. They’ve all got their problems, strengths, and weaknesses. Personally i think your jist butt hurt that Ford sells a hell of a lot more Ecoboosts than Ram sells Hemis or GM sells of theur 6.2l engines. You were probably broke down on the side of the road and some guy driving a Ford refused to pick you up so now youve got a chip on your shoulder. My advice…. get over it and grow up.

            2. “everything will fail without proper maintenance”? Obvious, but a ford mechanic benefits the most by saying so.

              “They all have their problems and strengths and weaknesses”? Obvious again.
              But the real point you Ford mechanics fail to acknowledge is, that Ford’s generally have more important problems, statistically speaking according to the best experts of the auto industry. And that is a problem I would like fixed.So I say so.
              My motto, “we need better tools, not toys”.
              Now, if you live on a salt flat, a Ford might be the best for you. I give ford credit where it is do.
              And “blatantly brand bashing” has never been my thing. I stick to the industry stats–the truth.

            3. Can you provide the stats? I’ve yet to see them in all of the useless ecoboost bashing posts on this website.

            4. So you admit you don’t know where to go to find the auto industry’s statistics.

              And yet you continue to assert that you know them all this time. You know autos is a well tracked industry, and has been for quite some time now.

              Furthermore, you want me to provide it all for you. By the way, I have mentioned them from time to time, but for some reason it falls on deaf ears.

              People just want to hear what they want to hear. Whether it is in there economic interest, or because that is the truck they think is the prettiest or LOOKS the toughest or something so that is the one they bought.

              Same mentality as identity politics.

            5. I dont have to provide links or back up anything I say. I am the TRUTH. And whatever I say is the TRUTH. Some people just don’t get it.

            6. Rambros Bro: I’ve never claimed to know the statistics, I’ve simply asked you to provide them. You’re the one making the unsubstantiated claims that ecoboosts are less reliable, so it seems the burden of proof is on you. The source I presented, consumer reports, shows F150s being more reliable than either GM or ram 1500s.

              I couldn’t care less whether you do or not, I bought an ecoboost, I love it, I’ll buy another one regardless of an internet shills opinion.

    10. Always been more into Fords, licensed to drive in “76” First turbocharged car an 87 ThunderbirdTC, Gad 100,000 plus miles when I got it, next was Audi TT roadster 90,000 miles when I got it, now 2010 HSO Taurus 6 plus years 100,000 miles it needs spark plugs now, 2014 F-150 FX4 36000 Miles ? Had a 2000 F-150 5.4 4×4 off-road no big issues with it traded off for the 14 with170000 miles it had some rust issues. Just stay afraid of them , if it makes you happy. I’ll continue to buy Ford EB thankyou

    11. Very quick almost as quick as my tuned Titan.. Still hoping The Tundra launches a 8 Speed tranny and a few other upgrades and I’ll be a Toyota owner. But I keep my trucks for 10 years. Only ones I trust to run that long are the foreign ones, sad but true!!!

    12. I had a 2010 5.4 and loved it. Low MPG but had plenty of power. Went to a SD 6.2 and want back into a half ton.

      Will I be impressed with the 5.0 power compared to 5.4? My 5.4 did tick like a diesel! No issues though.

      1. Hp wise the 5.0 walks all over the 5.4. I think the 5.4 May have a slight edge in Low end torque but this is probably not true anymore with the direct injected 2018

    13. Daniel (and others) – – –

      I) Here is the 1st group of Sales Data from 5 FULL-SIZE Pickups, using Calendar Year and Rolling methods:

      A) SLOPES (1st line = Calendar; 2nd line = Rolling):


      B) SALES TOTALS in 1000’s (1st line = Calendar; 2nd line = Rolling):


      Daniel, you were right about the Rolling Method leveling out the low-month of January and flattening the Slopes; and it also showed overall higher Sales Totals in the period from November 2016 through October 2017.

      II) Here is the 2nd group of Sales Data from 5 MID-SIZE Pickups, using Calendar Year and Rolling methods:

      A) SLOPES (1st line = Calendar; 2nd line = Rolling):


      B) SALES TOTALS in 1000’s (1st line = Calendar; 2nd line = Rolling):


      Daniel, here the Slopes were mixed: some higher and some lower; BUT the Rolling Method did show overall higher Sales Totals in the period from November 2016 through October 2017.


        1. Daniel – – –

          Thanks for asking. I knew I should have put in better or more complete descriptions.

          “SLOPE” is coefficient of the linear equations that come from the plots of vehicle sales-versus-months. Its units are vehicles-per-month. It shows the rate of sales growth or decline throughout the evaluation period, — whether “Calendar” or the “Rolling Method” that you suggested.
          That was a good suggestion, BTW. Thanks.


        1. @Rambro: It would be good to know if the SC can be added to a stock engine like it could for the Tundra. If the 5.0 can have the SC added to the stock engine and retain the warranty, then that would be impressive, as it was for the Tundra.
          Yes, that is a real compliment for the Tundra–this was one of the reasons why I bought one.

          1. NoQDRTundra, OK so I just read that but I believe what the article refers to is that the supercharger comes with a warranty, not the truck. You have to be careful with statements like that. Toyota was different, their superchargers were under warranty but the vehicles themselves remained under full manufacturers warranty. The F150 truck itself will likely not be warrantied. I have been through the ringer with Roush/SVT in Canada over this twice now and they warranty the supercharger through Roush but it voids the Ford warranty on the powertrain. They already have been offering this SC option now for a decade at least, it is nothing new and Ford will not warranty the truck if you put it on and the SC itself will only get a one year warranty, maybe two years.

            1. @Rambro: Good points, thanks for taking the time to clarify.
              Toyota’s SC warranty coverage was very good, perhaps even the best.

            2. Toyota’s warranty was 100% coverage with or without it, which made it a viable option, otherwise you are at risk with anything else I have tried to do. I am kicking myself for not doing it in 2015 when I bought my late Tacoma.

            3. @Rambro,

              I do believe Ford will not void the warranty on Roush products installed. I believe some dealership are more ignorant than others and will void.

            4. The new package will not void the factory warranty. The “kit” is under 10k but I think after dealer install it will be around 15k. Warranty only applies if installed by certified dealer

            5. Ford has certified Roush dealers and the Roush products are covered under the Ford performance warranty. It does nothing to void the Ford factory warranty.

            6. Moondog I have been to Ford twice now trying to get a supercharger on the F150 and yes they will warranty the supercharger and Roush will warranty the the truck parts for a year but your manufacturers warranty is voided on anything the charger breaks. This is a fact for me in Canada. For those who say it is covered please prove it. Yes McDonalds hamburgers are made with 100% beef. 5% real beef and 95% preservative but its made with 100% real beef. Please be careful with what you say. You are giving people false information on a subject I am very familiar with. Just because Roush is teamed with Ford does not mean the F150’s manufacturers warranty is upheld. I will bet it is not, go to any dealer and verify it, try to buy one and watch what happens. What you read and what is reality will not collaborate.

    14. I spent a number of years working in the far north of Canada harsh gravel roads sometimes just bare canadian shield rock, bitter cold winters.The natives who live up there run almost exclusively F150s.they drive them hard all year round .And they do not like doing maintaince.I asked why so many fords to one guy he said they are the only truck that can take the abuse, according to them Toyotas just fell apart, you never see them.So I went and bought a 2015 eco boost loved it, now own a 2nd gen eco boost cannot fault it.So that is why I bought a ford after what I saw up North.

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