• What If A Tesla Electric Pickup Truck Was a Medium Duty Semi that Looked Like a GMC Topkick Ironhide?


    tesla pickup truck concept rendering
    Tesla electric pickup truck concept rendering (source: Tesla)

    It’s likely that you have already seen the Tesla Semi Truck and the Roadster 2.0. Tesla’s Elon Musk threw out another idea during the presentation. What if a Tesla pickup truck was a class 6 version of the class 8 “18-wheeler” semi? What if it had two axles (instead of three), was lifted for a tough 4×4 off-road look and function, and rode on massive off-road tires? Doesn’t this rendering look very much like a GMC Topkick as Transformers Ironhide?

    Tesla only said that the pickup truck concept would be a truck that could carry another truck as payload, and it would not require a commercial driver’s license for private use. These two pieces of information hint at the truck being a class 6 vehicle (similar to a current Ford F650) with a gross vehicle weight (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs or less.

    Surely, a truck like this would be able to carry at least 5,000 lbs of payload (similar to a weight of a current Ford F-150).

    Will Tesla build and sell such a truck? The company did not say. The commercial semi truck is planned to start production in 2019. Tesla is currently very busy with production of the Model 3 and (soon) the upcoming Roadster 2.0 for 2020. It’s hard to imagine that a truck like this could see the light of day before 2021.

    What do you think? Is Tesla on the right track with a class 6 medium duty semi pickup truck concept?


    Andre Smirnov
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    101 thoughts on “What If A Tesla Electric Pickup Truck Was a Medium Duty Semi that Looked Like a GMC Topkick Ironhide?

    1. If it has a 500 mile range(not maximum of 500) and I could get from SLC to Denver without worrying about being stuck somewhere in Wyoming, I would buy one.

      1. Yes. 4 full size doors. Back seat folds down to make a bed. 5th wheel hitch capable of 40k. And be comfortable when empty. Air ride suspension.

    2. If I showed up at Home Depot or Lowes with this I would carry a make shift fence to put around it and charge a 5 dollar admission fee to get past the fence.

    3. So it’s wide enough to carry and F150 in the bed huh…

      And who pays for the wide-load permits and lead/follow drivers to get from your house to the grocery store?

      1. Daniel you will not need a wide load permit. The allowable legal width for the US and Canada without a permit is 102 inches. The track width of an F150 is 67 inches ball park, center to center of tire so add say another 8 inches for wheel width so 75 inches between the Tesla’s wheel well would work. The box would need to be 80 inches on the inside above the wheel wells to fit the F150 body width. That leaves 11 inches on each side for body panels on the Tesla. No permit.

        1. Those rims are at least 40″ tall. Each rear wheel is at least 14″ wide and probably closer to 24″ if dually. According to your own calculations there isn’t enough space. It’s a cartoon being passed off as a concept

          1. Ok but the F150 can still drive over the wheel well bump. We do it with quads in midsize. The wheels do not determine the 80 inch bed width required to fit the f150.

      1. I think he is expressing new designs that are not restricted by having an IC enine up front. Narrow front end should reduce drag and increase range.

      2. Neither, he just continues to come up with more and more fantastical, unrealistic projects all with a “tree hugger” twist, because as long as he keeps coming up with new things for his investors to send him more money on. Maybe, just maybe those investors won’t get out their pitch forks and demand he produce the cars they first gave him their money for.

        1. Dan look at what he has done. He has built sedans capable of beating supercars under acceleration. My work colleague owns one. He has produced so dont light the torchers or buy pitchforks in bulk just yet. Maybe go after Ford and the F150 diesel, do some qdr checks on the hatchets and pitchforks and pock an oil for the torches for a warm up.

          1. Take away all the tax payer money Tesla gets and the company goes belly up in six months.

            Poor product with no real consumer base.

            1. Actually the tax credits may go away for hybrid vehicles. I’m not sure if it makes a difference to a person spending a 100K, but the cheaper sedan may be hit.

            2. Pretty good You Tube videos out there that compare the cost of ownership of a Tesla model 3 vs a civiv and a 330i BMW and the Tesla wins out in a 5 year scenario with the gov incentive and still almost wins out without it but it is a much faster car than the civic and after 5 years they say the Tesla keeps getting better and better due to the low maintenance and simplicity in its design. The BMW fails miserably.

        2. Dan – – –

          Didn’t someone here comment at one time that Tesla was the most successful Ponzi scheme in history? Elon has not only bilked investors, he has even hornswoggled taxpayers and entire US Government! Gee, even the Russians were unable to pull that off during the old Soviet Union era (^_^)..

          There are several other CO2-reducing, and/or carbon-footprint reducing, propulsion methods for vehicles, both long term and short term, but Elon denigrates them all:
          1) CNG, which we have in abundance for centuries;
          2) H2 from wind-powered hydrolysis of seawater, which can be used directly in H2FC vehicles or reacted with atmospheric CO2 to produce CH4 that is carbon-neutral, — a current reality, not a dream:
          http://www.europeanpowertogas.com/blog/623;
          3) Bio-diesel from fermentation of soybeans;
          4) Ethanol (E85 of higher) from fermentation of corn, such as already required in Brazil (and in our NASCAR race cars);
          5) N-Butanol from fermentation of algae, a virtual direct substitute for gasoline with current engine technology, but even higher octane rating:
          https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/emerging_biobutanol.html

          All of these can produce viable vehicles that are less temperature dependent and cheaper than batteries (except H2FC currently, because of catalyst costs, something the Japanese are seeking to overcome).

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          1. All of those things have their own drawbacks and limitations. None of them are cheap. CNG makes a lot of sense-I don’t really understand why we don’t see more of it (the tanks are expensive but the fuel is cheap).
            Right now batteries-despite their high cost-are fairly cost effective and consumer friendly relative to the other options (apart from conventional petroleum fuels of course).
            I’m fine with Elon ignoring them-we don’t need to rely on him to do everything for us.

    4. “Doesn’t this rendering look very much like a GMC Topkick as Transformers Ironhide?”

      The GMC Topkick looks rather belimic compared to the Tesla rendering, its almost pitiful to look at, I kinda feel bad for it. I found the guy who drives it, pasted the link below

      https://goo.gl/images/sycdYd

    5. TFLT: “WHAT IF A TESLA ELECTRIC PICKUP TRUCK WAS A MEDIUM DUTY SEMI THAT LOOKED LIKE A GMC TOPKICK IRONHIDE?” and “Tesla electric pickup truck concept rendering (source: Tesla)”

      I would not buy such an ugly truck under any conditions. A truck is ALSO an esthetic statement, like the Mona Lisa was for Leonardo. For me, the highpoint of truck styling occurred somewhere in the late 1950’s, and its been downhill ever since. But that’s just me (always liked the Chevy TaskForce “Apache”) (^_^)…

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      1. Nobody,( in the retro craze) has offered up a modern ‘fat fenders’ 40’s/50’s style. I think that might sell well,at least for a life cycle,maybe longer.

        1. Lohchief – – –

          Yeah, I agree. It might be worth a try. For a while some manufacturers were successful with modern retro vehicles, — for just about that one “life cycle” that you mentioned**, sometimes longer. So, maybe now is the time to do that for pickup trucks ,— since we are in a truck craze (^_^)…

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          ** https://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/11-cars-that-mark-the-recent-return-of-retro.html/?a=viewall
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        2. The Chevy SSR
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_SSR
          ‘Neighbor still have a yellow one.
          it sold below expectations with under 9,000 sales at US$42,000 each. Citing a 301-day supply of SSRs, General Motors in December of that year announced five weeks of layoffs at Lansing Craft Center, the factory that made the SSR. On November 21, 2005, GM announced that it would close the Craft Center in mid-2006, spelling the end for the SSR.”

          1. The SSR failed because they didn’t know if they wanted a hot rod or a truck.

            I think it could be done with proper front fenders and a true stepside bed. It’s not like anyone uses the bazillion cubic foot beds most half tons come with anyway…

      1. @BillyHW: +10
        Tesla has production problems with the Model 3 that need to be overcome–several hundred thousand people are anxiously waiting.

        I read an editorial on Auto News recently where the editor recommended to Dyson that he keep his several billion dollars instead venturing into the auto business–it won’t be enough.
        Google search “An open letter to Sir James Dyson”

        It comes down to this: concepts are bliss and production is hell…

        Good luck Tesla and Bollinger…

    6. Canoepaddler – – –

      C: “..any news on opposed pistion [sic] engines?”

      Have heard nothing recently. But a more advanced engine design that Infiniti will introduce is the Variable Displacement Engine (VDE):
      https://www.carthrottle.com/post/infiniti-has-built-a-variable-displacement-engine-and-its-spectacularly-clever/

      One of the issues with opposed piston engines is the increased mechanical complexity of mating the common crankshaft to the opposing pistons, — not that the VDE is a prize of simplicity either (^_^)…

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      1. Just combine VDE with opposed pistons and light it up with Mazda’s skyactiveX compression gas ignition and we have a winner! 😀

            1. But you all are not understanding that you don’t need or want variable displacement if you are using the engine as a range extender or generator.

              When connected to an electric generator, rather than connected to a transmission, you don’t have the problem of power curves. A generator will always take the ideal rpm at the ideal power point.

              Yet another reason why all this other mechanical complexity will be wiped out in favor of electric drive.

              Its cheaper, better, faster, tougher.

              And its the American way!

            2. Nobody can take you serious when you make silly comments like that. Especially when you suggest the vehicle run without a significant battery.

              Go more some lawns, save some money, and buy yourself a suitcase generator. Fill it with gas, and observe it’s operation. Plug in your TV and Nintendo, see what it does. Add in an incandescent light bulb. Now borrow a blender and try to grind some ice. Write down how the generator behaves.

              Now come back to TFL and you can make more educational posts about things you would like to see in automobiles

            3. I highly doubt you have had near as much experience with generators/alternators as I have.

              You haven’t even had ANY classes in engineering at all! Or any other engineering experience for that matter.

              So, you are just emotionally sick, Daniel. . Truly, I recommend getting help.

            4. Of course some people are engineers.

              That does not have anything to do with Daniel being an engineer.

              And some engineers need to study English and learn how to think and write more clearly.

              Because while you sparky might be an engineer, you obviously don’t have a degree in English.

            5. Alt Mike-Daniel’s suggested experiment is a good one-it will point out how a generator responds to varying load. Whether driven via a convention transmission or a generator-motor, the load applied to an engine will be a variable one when powering a vehicle. If the power for propulsion is being provided via a large battery and the engine/generator is simply charging the battery at a relatively steady rate THEN your thought process works. But then you have a large battery, a large electric motor an engine and a generator. Many more systems and components than you had before (more weight, cost complexity). However, your FE may be higher with that setup, assuming the ability to take advantage of regenerative braking and charging the battery via a plugin.

            6. Alt-I do not have a degree in English-very good. Nice deferral, ignore your own ignorance and instead point out minor failures in others (while displaying the same failures yourself).

            7. Not being able to see reality, and reality that has been going on for decades is not a minor failure. And then repeating that failure over and over again over the period of a year is not a minor failure, it is a sickness.

              Much of it is rooted in your emotional thinking and reading.

              Case in point, I said Daniel is not an engineer, and you say…

              Some people are engineers.

              There is no connection there!

              That is emotional synthesis of thoughts.

              Case in point, I say you don’t have to have a huge expensive battery for a range extender, and all of a sudden, you think I said a range extender can’t have any kind of battery at all. You clearly don’t read or think clearly.

              Case in point, I say a range extender ICE does not need to change its rpm. Then you argue that I said the load will not change on that ICE. But that is a whole different thing! The RPM does not need to change with the load, and if fact many range extender application do not change rpm other than to turn on or turn off. Some do, but that is not ideal or preferred.

              But you would know that if you were well read on the subject. Which goes back to the fact you have a hard time reading.

              I am not being unnecessarily harsh, just being matter of fact for your benefit.

            8. Alt-
              To be clear (apparently I have a problem with that) your statement that Daniel does not have an engineering degree (I don’t know if he does or not-I don’t know how you would) is irrelevant. He has demonstrated a better understanding of these things than you have-which is really the point and at the end of the day, the thing that matters. I am convinced however that whether or not he did it would not matter to you. You have thus far demonstrated than when challenged with information that you do not possess the ability to refute that your go-to reaction is to resort to personal attacks against that person-much as would a 7 year old child. It is disappointing that your personal character has not evolved past that point.
              You do seem to possess some understanding of generators and some of their qualities-that’s great. Perhaps when presented with information as to their shortcomings, given by people who understand them better than you-you could try to take in that information rather than lash out in ignorance.
              I have not dictated what you said. I simply stated the situation in which your line of thinking would work. I said nothing of whether you felt there needed to be a battery or not (someone else may have). I did state that the load will change on the ICE unless there is a large battery-that in no way inferred a statement to the contrary by you in any way.
              The RPM will need to change with the load if one wants to keep the engine in its ideal power curve. The ideal point in an engine varies both with load and RPM-you will find that inverter based generators vary their RPM relative to the load. It is true that a range extender generator can run at a constant RPM. That is not the most efficient way to do it however unless you are charging the battery at a constant rate-which is possible. There are several goods ways to configure a range extender. The real question however is if it is worth it.

            9. Here is my thought, stop bickering. To all(Hal, Alt Mike) is very entertaining despite the attack, just be humble and throw some grains of salt. He is frustrated with others lack of acceptance for EV’s for good reason as automakers are converting and they must know that EV has big advantages so he is correct in my opinion on most of the content minus attacks, but try not to turn this to PUTC banter. Here is what we don’t know that I want to know, especially about the W15.

              A generator will charge the battery in the W15 at a constant RPM but at what point does it start to charge the battery as it depletes on a long road trip. The W15 is good for 80 miles on its battery, I believe when it gets to 80% the generator kicks in but I am speculating. Now the generator runs at a constant rpm at 32mpg. The battery alone gets 75mpge but mpge depends on the cost of electricity and gas and that fluctuates based on many factors but I digress. So once the generator kicks in at a constant rpm it wont be able to maintain positive charge, so it travels 80 miles on the battery alone at said 75mpge, but likely gets to 20 miles and then the generator kicks in to start charging or maybe there is a manual switch to turn the generator off and on. So how far can it go if the generator starts charging at 20 miles into the trip. Another 60 miles on battery alone means the generator has been charging the battery for about an hour at highway speeds, can the generator keep up with the miles you are putting on it at a steady rpm? These are all factors that need to be answered and or tested and will depend on how much load the truck is under. But a large battery vs a large generator will vary considerably from one EV to the next depending on the manufacturer. You won’t always need a massive battery, some will be generator alone, some will be battery alone and some will mix these two scenarios in all kinds of shapes and sizes.

            10. You are on the right track Rambro. In your example, but extremely simplified, let’s imagine the load requires 100 hp to maintain speed on a flat road. The electric motors can produce 100 hp for 1 hour on battery power alone.
              It has a 50 hp range extender. Pretending that there are no losses from generator to battery, the range extender would replenish half of what the load is requiring. At 30 min time frame, the load would have drawn half the battery capacity, but the generator would have replenished 1/4 of that, so at the 30 min mark, you have 75% battery capacity.
              In another 1/2 hour, you have burned 50% but replenished 25% so you are at 50% capacity. By the 90 minute mark you have 25% capacity left, and at two hours your battery is fully depleted. You can run on range extender alone, but you have only 50 hp to work with. You could theoretically travel anywhere you wanted until running out of fuel for the generator, but at 1/2 speed.

            11. I posit a truth, you disagree, and I point out that you must be ignorant or dumb to disagree.

              Or, you make a point, and I point out you are wrong, and you must be wrong for some personal reason(when that is appropriate, sometimes you are wrong for other reasons than being really dumb). So I don’t point out personal reason in that case.

              You on the other hand will personally attack me with no backing of truth.

              It all depends if you are right, or if you are wrong. And these are concrete things we are addressing here on TFL.

              For example, sparky says you have to increase rpm to increase the generation of electricity in a generator.

              That is plainly not true. That is false. And while sparky asserts that, I will stick up for the TRUTH. And it is impossible for a normal adult to asset such falsities repeatedly while not being dumb.

              Now, it is O.K. to be dumb. But to be dumb and not know it, or even worse, to be dumb and know it and continue to assert dumb things, is moving into the realm of sick.

            12. Now, to get you to start thinking straight, what if you have a 100 hp combustion engine as a generator?

              Starting to get it?

            13. For most situations the average power needed is substantially less than the max power of the drive train-especially in a car, less so in a semi. The idea of a range extender is to fit it with an engine/generator capable of providing a constant power output equal to that of the average power requirement. Thus a much smaller engine is capable of keeping the truck powered for as long as there is fuel to run it. You could of course use a smaller engine that simply extends that range but I would think that in most instances the first scheme would be employed. You need to have a battery of sufficient size to power the vehicle on its own and for an extended amount of time to make the system work well. The average power output required is fairly easy to determine. One can get a pretty good idea looking at the overall FE of the vehicle.

            14. Rambro – – –

              R: “Here is my thought, stop bickering. To all(Hal, Alt Mike) is very entertaining despite the attack, just be humble and throw some grains of salt.”

              Great Response. Thanks. The TTFL comment section here needs to sit head and shoulders above the personal assaults; false information; crude language; or petty bickering of PUTC, TTAC, Jalopnik, and others.

              I consider what Roman has put together here is a 1st class website; and they (his team) put their hearts into it. Let’s do that too….

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            15. For one so critical of other’s reading skills you demonstrate a remarkable inability yourself as well as an inability to accurately restate.

            16. I agree, we can help Daniel and about 4 or 5 others stop saying crude and even vile words.

              The false information is very much a problem with many more than a half dozen people.

              But things have to get personal at the moment one commenter makes them so. The other commenters have to address their personal problems. That is the source of the problem, or you can’t solve it.

            17. Hopefully in Summary then a generator can run at a constant 100HP, max demand but if more is needed then it has to rev up or stay at max revolutions but then it would be out of its efficiency range. This is where you need a small battery to back it up so the generator stays at one rpm range that is most efficient. The battery is also a benefit in storing downhill and brake energy. We get a further weight and savings if we eliminate the generator weight should we eventually get charge stations nationwide that quick charge in just seconds such as arc charging and this is currently done in Europe and is not a concept. Busses arc charge their batteries in 7 seconds flat. So the tech is coming, just takes time.

            18. You have a link to the arc charging Rambro?
              I have not heard of any battery technology that can handle that fast of a recharge. The amount of power supplied alone would be incredible! Lithium Ion batteries (or any battery for that matter) are challenged with overheating if you charge them in an hour; 7 seconds would be very hard on them.

            19. Sparky just put Http in front of this link. This is a 15 s charge but there is more on flash/arc charging if you google it. Cars could basically drive into an overhead strip, adjustable of course that arc charges the car and you swipe a credit card and go. TFL will not allow the link so put Http in front of the below link.

              ://blog.partsengine.ca/news/electric-buses-that-can-recharge-in-15-seconds-at-the-bus-stop/

            20. Thanks for the link Rambro.
              They don’t get into the details but basically it sounds like they are able to charge the battery just enough while it is stopped to be able to get to the next stop-basically topping off the battery. Good idea. I wonder though how that effects the life of the battery-life degrades quicker the faster batteries are charged. Super capacitors handle that much better. Oshkosh uses supper capacitors in their heavy military hybrid setups (Propulse)-I wonder how that would work in a scenario like this.

            21. The electrical engineers in my company told me about it initially saying it charges in 7 seconds. It is built and being used but very new in design but it is not a concept. How long these batteries last is a question mark, but I was initially told they will do a fully loaded bus for 20 miles before needing the next charge which is all a city bus needs. They can likely exceed these numbers as needed if the tech ramps up.

            22. The article you sent me to mentioned that “the technology is still in its infancy”. I can see something along these lines working well for buses.
              A quick search on “flash charge” brought up a link to a super capacitor battery replacement.
              I’ve read in the past talk of inductance loops in highways or overhead that could be used to top up vehicles as they drive.

            23. There are so many new ideas out there it is holding up production because everyone sees the next best thing and are to scared to take off with an idea. There is a lot going on in the EV world

      2. Now that’s what I call Atkinson engine cycle Bernie! On the opposed engine, that isn’t what the propaganda says, it’s cheap and simple. Hehe

        1. Canoepaddler – – –

          C: “On the opposed engine, that isn’t what the propaganda says, it’s cheap and simple. Hehe”

          Well, like many technical things: its worth a try, — and let the data determine the result. The Mazda Rotary (Wankel) went a lot further than anyone would have guessed, and now its coming back as a possible generator for hybrids… So, who knows?

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          1. Intresting transitioning point now for sure. Nothing like going back a 100 years to get tp the future. Marty Mcfly around? Be cool to be around another hondo to watch the history channel special on transportation

    7. Let’s add Toyota to this thread; google search “Toyota puts U.S. workers on alert: Made-in-Japan Camrys cheaper”

      Toyota is working to cut production costs globally so that it can spend more on RD for electrification, future projects etc..

    8. I can’t believe I’m cut-and-pasting… but this was a good article

      “There is so much we do not yet know about Tesla’s plans for its Semi, but our questions fall into two main categories: missing details on the specifications and capabilities of the truck itself, and deeper issues regarding Tesla’s ability to finance and manufacture a significant number of the trucks. We’ll dig into the Tesla Semi’s technical issues first, and then consider how the Semi will find its place in a company with ongoing production and profitability difficulties.

      While Musk exceeded everyone’s expectations by promising a 500 mile range for Tesla’s Semi, he omitted some information that will be crucial to evaluating how truly competitive the truck will be. We still don’t know the price or weight of the truck. The battery alone could weigh 28,000 lbs and cost over $250K, cutting deeply into the truck’s available payload and driving the tractor’s cost up to more than double the cost of a conventional diesel truck.

      Musk claimed that carriers will be able to operate the Tesla Semi at $1.26 per mile, compared with $1.51 per mile for diesel trucks, but there are problems with these figures. Musk uses an industry average cost-per-mile figure for diesel trucks, but the day operations the Tesla Semi will be competing against have a lower operating cost than OTR operators. The cost-per-mile of the Tesla Semi does not tell us the full story, either: that number is only one component of the total cost of ownership (TCO) figure that carriers use to determine which truck to buy. When you multiply the cost-per-mile by the mileage you expect to get from the whole lifetime of the truck, you get the lifecycle cost. Then you have to add the upfront cost of the vehicle, and that gives you the TCO. Musk conveniently left out the initial price of the truck, which will be well above any diesel truck on the market.

      “Therefore, on a TCO basis, these trucks may not be that attractive. To develop and create a fleet of many such trucks, the upfront sticker shock plus cost of financing might make it impossible for many fleets to acquire these vehicles,” wrote Sandeep Kar, Chief Strategy Officer at Fleet Complete, in an email to FreightWaves.”

      1. Daniel – – –

        Bingo! Thanks. Good post…
        Bob Lutz has been around long enough to know what is “doable” on a practical basis.

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      2. Another thing I’ve heard and maybe it isn’t completely accurate but Teslas aren’t the most problem free vehicle on the road. Yea they’ve got a warranty and are supposedly covered but in an OTR truck downtime= lost money.

    9. What’s this thing going to cost?
      Sure, it might be cool and fast but who’s going to buy it? It will be to expensive to use for work-it will be a giant sports car at best.

    10. Something else that hasn’t been brought up is the regenerative braking. It’s great in most cases, but what if the batteries are already full? What happens going down the IKE at 80,000 lbs with a charged battery. You have no Jake brake or any other form of compression braking. You are going to be relying entirely on truck/trailer brakes. What is the plan?

      1. That’s a good question. Most of the time where will be plenty of capacity in the battery but if you started out fully charged or nearly so and encountered a long downgrade-that would be an issue. They could always add in some heaters-or turn up the A/C REALLY high.

      2. Daniel – – –

        D: “What is the plan?”
        ANS: There isn’t one… (^_^) … like Elon’s production scenario for the Model 3 sedan.

        You hit a home run again!

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        1. I believe the regenerative braking would still be working to slow the vehicle by default but does not have to be adding power to the batteries. Speculating

          1. The power would need to go somewhere-batteries, heaters, etc. The amount of power produced will be directly related to the stopping effort.

            1. I am sure they must be able to throw the power out as heat the same way brakes convert to heat energy, you convert the power to heat and exhaust it, if under the rare condition they are fully charged.

    11. How do you pay a toll from the center seat?
      How bright are the two computer screens at night.
      On the Semi, Walmart is going to try it on 100 mile trips from distribution center to stores Not long haul.
      Nobody in the public has driven either truck.
      But Musk let people in the roadster for a zero to 60.
      Doesn’t that inspire questions?

      1. Good questions! It will be very interesting to see them tested out-such as the Walmart trial trucks.
        I haven’t heard that these trucks are actually driveable yet, I’m sure there are plenty of kinks to be worked out-hence the 2 year wait.

        1. I’m betting it’s gonna be significantly more than 2yrs before Tesla has the capability to build more than a handful here and there. They’re still having production issues on cars that are beyond prototype stages.

          1. I’m not holding my breath.
            I’m more curious to see how Nikola shakes out. That setup seems like nothing but snake oil to me. Being that they are based in my home state I’d like to see then succeed but it reeks of marketing hype and little subsistence.
            I’m sure the Cummins solution is well thought out but I am sure that is their “just in case” solution should some of these outsiders start to encroach on their market share.

      2. I wonder what the road authorities will do for licencing. My ACM-Z (Canadian) licence is based on Air brake endorsement. The Tesla has no Air brakes

          1. Depends, I am reading reviews where cars don’t need brakes anymore, just a foot pedal. As you remove your foot off the pedal the vehicle slows rapidly and linearly with foot removal from the foot pedal. A brake would only be used for emergency hard braking and you might be able to remove the complexity of air brakes altogether, especially if you install a trailer with electric motors as an addition to the trailer.

            1. If you seen the autonomous trailers they drive themselves with no cabin, just a trailer with wheels with no tractor. So I can picture trailers with motors for each axle on the trailer itself at some point that talks to the tractor. The elimination of air brakes would be a huge cost savings and a screw up for the road authorities, more than half my exam every 5 years is all about air brakes when I have to re-write.

            2. I would hate having to have my foot an the accelerator every moment I want the car to be moving. What happens if your foot slips off? The car slams to a halt? System like that may exist but they would need to use something more than the motors to stop. The max braking force is (should be) more than the motors are capable of providing. You would also have to have a motor on each wheel.

            3. In the autonomous world you wont have to have your foot on the go pedal. It will mostly drive itself. So its a likely scenario.

          2. Absolutely the electric motors can do all the breaking. Although some earlier designs can’t.

            And it also may be preferable to have a parking brake or lock of some kind.

            But once again, it is a misconception that the electric motors cannot do all the breaking, even the hard braking.

            In fact, if you want, and may vehicles now can do this, you can have the wheels reverse direction and spin the car around or torque vector or whatever you want.

            So once again, Sparky, you are waaaay off.

            1. Its these kind of clear cut falsities you and others are spreading.

              Do you not have compassion for someone trying to uphold the truth?

            2. You asserted and stated that all the braking can’t be done by the electric motors.

              You didn’t ask that, you stated it as a truth. Its not. That is false information which Bernie just wrote a comment asking us to minimize such comments.

              So Bernie, get on the true side of things.

              Can you see the frustration it must be for someone who know s the truth to have to deal with those who keep persisting in false information?

            3. you see the nastiness that comes from upholding the truth?

              Here’s how it goes:
              1. I uphold the truth.
              2. A few others asset a non truth and get nasty about it.
              3. I express the further truth that they are dumb/on drugs/etc.

              And that is the order of it. Not the other way around, Bernie.

              Above you have the perfect example of it again.

            4. Ask sparky,

              The production version would, would it not? The electric motors are not going to be able to do all the braking.

              IF sparky was talking about parking locks or brakes, will you never comment on TFL again?

              I thought not, since he was not talking about that at all. He was talking about “braking”, not parking brakes.

              Again, you just have to admit you are just can’t read.

              You can spend your life spell checking if you want, Daniel, sounds like you don’t have much else to do.

            5. Why are you bringing Sparky into this? Your words, “Absolutely the electric motors can do all the breaking. Although some earlier designs can’t.

              And it also may be preferable to have a parking brake or lock of some kind.”

              So again, oh wise Hal, explain yourself

    12. And just think Daniel, if only Michael Knight had the tesla semi, he would not have had to drive that black firebird to catch the bad guys. He could have just used the semi “night tesla”. He could have saved on fuel, insurance, and the pay for the truck’s driver including benefits, etc. What an opportunity missed. No wonder the show went off the air.

    13. As long as Tesla is getting milk from the cow he is going to continue giving us these electric vehicle’s, but when that milk cow drys up he will be done.

      I have stated several times when there is a increase of demand for electricity that there will be a increase in price of electricity. These electric vehicle’s are going to do this at a certain point there will be no benefit for owning one.

      We have a poor electric grid and we don’t have the capacity to make more.

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