• Chevy Colorado ZR2 vs Ford Raptor vs Ram Power Wagon: Ultimate Off-Road Comparison (Video)


    2018 chevy colorado zr2 ford raptor ram power wagon off-road comparison
    Chevy Colorado ZR2 vs Ford Raptor vs Ram Power Wagon

    Which truck is the best off-roader? Which truck can tackle the Cliffhanger 2.0 trail – our most difficult off-road test? Is it a midsize, full-size, or heavy duty truck? We gathered the three of the most off-road capable pickup trucks out there: the new Chevy Colorado ZR2, Ford Raptor, and Ram Power Wagon.

    Chevy Colorado ZR2 Ford Raptor Ram Power Wagon
    Engine 3.6L V6 3.5L V6 twin-turbo 6.4L V8
    Power 308 hp / 275 lb-ft 450 hp / 510 lb-ft 410 hp / 429 lb-ft
    Transmission 8-speed 10-speed 6-speed
    Ground Clearance (in) 8.9 11.5 14.3
    Approach Angle (deg) 30.0 30.2 33.6
    Departure Angle (deg) 23.5 23.1 26.2
    Wheelbase (in) 128.5 134.2 149.3
    Track Width Front (in) 65.9 73.9 68.6

    Check out the video for all of the off-road fun and to see how each truck did.


    Andre Smirnov
    Andre Smirnov
    Andre Smirnov is an Automotive Enthusiast, Producer, Reviewer, Videographer, Writer, Software Engineer, Husband, Father, and Friend.

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    131 thoughts on “Chevy Colorado ZR2 vs Ford Raptor vs Ram Power Wagon: Ultimate Off-Road Comparison (Video)

    1. I really appreciate watching your videos and reading the stories. Looking forward to taking a ZR2 out and play… just need to get back stateside..

    2. Once again demonstrates that weight is your worst enemy when trying to gain elevation.

      Spoiler alert, the JLTV would probably also struggle in similar conditions due to its weight. A half track or full track vehicle at those heavier weights would overcome the loose sand and rocks

      1. The lighter ZR2 is simply the better pick for tight mountain trails.
        Pick a different off-road terrain and the winner would change. It’s all about application

        1. Daniel – – –

          D: “The lighter ZR2 is simply the better pick for tight mountain trails.”
          Agree. ZR2 is the most “comfortable” here, wins. Ram too heavy for muddy glop, has unsuitable tires.

          TFLT: This article, about trucks, is appearing here almost a half-week after it came out on you other website. Why is that? Several of us had already discussed your findings and conclusions before this (^_^)..

          Ref:
          http://www.tfltruck.com/2017/11/gmc-sierra-2500-all-terrain-x-diesel-hd-cliffhanger/

          Sub-Ref’s:
          1) November 9, 2017 at 8:54 pm
          2) November 9, 2017 at 10:01 pm
          3) November 10, 2017 at 1:58 am
          4) November 10, 2017 at 6:00 am
          5) November 9, 2017 at 4:05 pm
          6) November 9, 2017 at 9:09 pm

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          1. You are on it Bernie LOL I agree that is weird. I think this thread may die when you look at the reviews here compared to the You Tube channel, 65,000 views and 700 comments compared to this? We may lose this thread altogether as there is more interest on You Tube

            1. Yeah, probably something about how stupid Ecoboosts are and how they get worse gas mileage than a 747.

            2. So called “ecoboost” get bad gas mileage compared to ecodiesel and 2.8 duramax, especially when under load.

              And per person and pound, ecoboost engines get much worse fuel mileage than a 747.

            3. As much as it may hurt to admit, it isn’t all sunshine and fairy tales in Ecoboost land. Boosted gas engines significantly more complicated (less reliable, which is bad when Ford’s already have a bad rep for reliability), are tuned extremely rich in order to avoid requiring premium fuel (although Ford sneaks a blurb in the manual about pretty much requiring premium fuel when towing), and the problems with cheap stretched timing chains/VVT issues/throttle body failures/turbo failures/BOV failures/fuel-diluted oil/constant misfires and limp mode issues/leaky valve guides/burnt valve seats/lash adjuster failures/carbon tracked spark plugs/HPFP failures and much much more. Ford techs have pulled oil pans off brand new Ecoboosts only to find tons of metal debris in them. It’s no wonder the resale value for a used F-150 Ecoboost is worth peanuts compared to any other half-ton. Nobody wants to deal with all the problems and overpriced poorly engineered Ford parts they’ll have to throw at them to get the misfires to stop.

            4. The above post is a bunch of crap. I work on Ford vehicles for a living as a technician and this poster is full of it. I also do a ton of side work on GM and Ram trucks. GM’s still have lifter issues and worn lifter bore problems. Piston slap is still a problem. Ram engines also have lifter issues with their MDS system and it is not oil related. They have a ton of stuck ring problems. In most cases a GM or Ram truck engine issue requires a engine replacement due to the amount of machine work that is required to fix them. So no, ecoboost is not perfect but I have worked on thousands of cars and trucks and I still would not have an issue buying a ecoboost .

            5. Alt Mike:

              Yes, the shinny MPG’s that the Ram ED and Colorado Dmax can be very appealing when you dont consider anything else. Squirrel!

              Its too bad that diesel is 20% more than 87 octane(which my tuned EcoBoost uses) currently in my neck of the woods. Kinda makes that whole diesel gas mileage thing pretty mundane.

              Oh and I own a Jeep Liberty CRD with a previous gen version of the 2.8L in the Colorado, kinda gives me an idea of what to expect, and I am still perfectly happy with my Ecoboost. Imagine that.

            6. ” I also do a ton of side work on GM and Ram trucks. GM’s still have lifter issues and worn lifter bore problems. Piston slap is still a problem. Ram engines also have lifter issues with their MDS system and it is not oil related. I also do a ton of side work on GM and Ram trucks. GM’s still have lifter issues and worn lifter bore problems. Piston slap is still a problem. Ram engines also have lifter issues with their MDS system and it is not oil related.”

              Every modern engine has cases of piston slap. The 5.0 Coyote has the famous “Coyote Knock”. Even the Tundra’s 5.7 is known for piston slap. The GM 5.3/6.0/6.2 doesn’t have nearly as many cases of piston slap as it did back in the early 2000’s. These days the direct injection system in the 5.3/6.2 is the most common source of piston slap-like noise. The HPFP is also commonly mistaken for lifter tick since the Gen V small blocks went into production.

              And the AFM/MDS lifters indeed still cause problems, but they’re no where near as common on the newer engines as they were when they first showed up in engines 10 years ago. And it’s not like it’s a difficult system to disable. It’s actually as easy to turn off as it is to disable the annoying start/stop system on the new Ford trucks.

          2. Bernie,
            I am confused as to what you are talking about? Are you saying we have published this off-road comparison to TFLtruck.com before today? This is the first time we are publishing it here.
            Andre

            1. I think he is referring to it being posted on YouTube a few days ago. It was being discussed on different article about the GMC.

            2. My guess Bernie, is they need time to do the write up or there is just more money in You Tube so it goes there first. But it could take time to do the write up here that does not exist on You Tube. I have also seen video’s here first vs You Tube and Roman has stated he will post it here first as a treat? So I am bewildered. Weird they don’t talk much.

            3. Hi Andre,

              I also saw this review on youtube well before it appeared here. I much prefer to comment here.

      2. Weight is terrible for fuel mileage and power to weight in these trucks. Power Wagon would have done better with larger tires but it does not come with them. One thing you can’t fix is size and the ZR2 being smaller has the advantage here over the other trucks to pick better lines, if they would just add power to the midsize like they did with the midsize SRT Grand Cherokee we would have a real stand out winner here.

          1. So how come smaller SUV’s have enough power. There are smaller SUV’s in a variety of trims with 400-707HP available and you say midsize trucks have enough power? Maybe based on your opinion, but it is rather a stupid blanket statement considering what others may desire from a midsize truck.

      3. It just depends on what you are doing. I’ve been plenty of places where the ZR2 wouldn’t have made it. Approach and departure angles don’t always make up for lack of ground clearance.

        As for the weight there are times when it can work in your favor. Mud and sand definitely aren’t those times.

        For an all around truck that I’m going to tow with and use hunting the power washing seems like a better option. If all your going to tow is a dirt bike get the ZR2.

    3. Great testing!

      It’s kind of funny how it all played out. The truck everybody brags about being the best (Power Wagon) ends up doing the worst?

      The truck most bag on and relentlessly clame is too wide (Raptor) ends up doing just as well as the much smaller, lighter ZR2.

      Track with really played a part here. Raptor was able to be on the outside edges of trail where traction wasn’t as torn up, loose, etc.

      ZR2 was able to be on the inside edges of the trail and find traction.

      Power Wagon was stuck in the middle loose stuff, it was loosening more.

      Bottom line, Power Wagon great truck but really needs to go on a diet!!!

        1. Well, it seems that all the people who comment about how amazing the Powerwagon is everytime the Raptor makes an appearance think its better. If you go by all those comments, the power wagon is the only legitimate offroader.

          Hopefully they shutup now.

          1. Zombiera won’t shut up. He will come up with something. Im sure sergio and him collaborated over the past few days on how to defend this.

          2. The PowerWagon is the better pickup. Under some narrow circumstances, and only for a fool who wants to part with his money, the Raptor is the better “toy”.

            In this video, the Raptor did not “work” as a pickup. An old $3,000 Jeep would do a better job of going up that trail. No load was hauled up the mountain as a pickup truck.

            Many independent testers(not first drives by the way), have proven the PowerWagon to be the best Off-road PICKUP TRUCK.

            And if the trail is narrow, the ZR2 is the best PICKUP TRUCK.

            Which leaves the Raptor as an artificially expensive TOY with surprising flaws.

            1. Actually none of these trucks worked. In fact the powerwagon could not make it up unloaded while the ZR2 and Raptor did. Those were the only two trucks that had a chance on carrying a load.

            2. Jimmy Johns – you forget that Hal here is a “Professional” outdoorsman. He had more experience by the age of seven than any of use will gain before we die…

            3. You know, its kinda funny you should say that I have had more experience by the time I was seven, because it probably is about true for the vast majority of the population.
              I really did live in the wilderness by the time I was seven more than 99 percent of the population will in their whole lives.
              And no, I would never say I am all-knowing. But ye’all are so dumb, you kinda make me look that way.
              Boy, I worry about ye’all sometimes. IF there is something wrong to say, you guys seem to step in it.
              And if you tried to load down that Raptor, it would drag its soft butt all over the trail

            4. Hey Daniel, you were right. Boy Scout hal could not resist on telling us his story’s about being raised in the woods and being taught everything he knows from a pack of wolves. He even took one as a wife. Hahahahaha!

              He is the All knowing, he said he is and he uses words like yeall. So that is proof. That and he doesn’t work because he needs his time to read reviews and watching YouTube videos.

    4. I was sad to see the Power Wagon fail in that test. It beat the competition the last time. Still is my pick of the lineup though.

    5. This was a fun video but we should all stop blaming the tires on the issues the PW had. I understand they are 33s but those Duratracs in my experience are better Off road than the KO2s are. The issue with the PW was simply weight and lack of momentum (in this case driver error) because of the slippery incline. The heavier vehicle needed more momentum or else it was just going to bog down in wet dirt/sand. I also found it surprising that the PW had such issues getting the front locker to lock. You don’t have the option to drive around a while if you are stuck and need that front locker. To me the tech of the Raptor’s system prevailed here along with the driver (good job) taking a better line. No front locker was needed to get up the hill. The ZR2 did well (with smaller Duratracs) even with the lowest ground clearance. For those touting the superiority of having a front locker (I’d still take one) in all instances see the Raptor. I will say that Raptor has gotten so luxurious until I’d never want to off-road that thing. Geez, dual moon roofs? Chevy has built a nice truck with that ZR2 so good job. I’m still a fan of the ginormous PW and think with a bit more momentum they could have made it up. I would have called my FCA rep and asked them if they wanted me to risk maybe a punctured tire of some heavy scrapes to the undercarriage or have thousands of viewers see the truck get stuck. I bet they’d say get up the hill! Nice video and way to go Raptor and ZR2.

      1. It was combination of all. Not big enough tires , but mostly not aired down enough, wrong path picked, the Raptor and ZR vent more left ,where vegetation was holding loosed rocks better together and of course the weight.
        Power Wagon was too heavy the way it went.
        I am surprised , that Nathan didn’t use a factory winch . It’s part of the truck and exactly for the situations like this.
        Nathan you let me down. LOL.

        1. Zviera
          November 12, 2017 at 1:30 pm
          It was combination of all. Not big enough tires , but mostly not aired down enough, wrong path picked, the Raptor and ZR vent more left ,where vegetation was holding loosed rocks better together and of course the weight.

          Watch the video again. The Raptor was right in the rut the power wagon dug out. In fact he stopped in the rut, aND then in a slow controlled manner just powered through.

          1. I did. The left tires of Raptor were driving on vegetation portion, which holds rocks together better. Camera was on the right side of the Raptor, which was driving on the middle part of the trail.

            1. Yes I missed that part. I see the left tires at a vegetation. Doesn’t matter. Power Wagon would get there anyway, if they would want to.
              Just pull the winch and you can go no any other stock truck can.

            2. Zviera, I agree the PW did not get to use the winch so all its stock features did not get used here. Get onto an even steeper hill where the ZR2 and Raptor loose traction and the only stock truck getting to the top will be the Powerwagon with the winch. However, it would need a very experienced person or a Macgyver chewing bubble gum to come up with something on that hill to anchor a winch to. You would need another trick to get an anchor point. For this situation you cannot get momentum without risking damage and the large tires on the Raptor was king for this scenario but I still say the ZR2 is going to be king in more situations.

            3. Vertillimit, I have seen the pull pal used. Not so sure it would work so good here in the loose ground. You are also pulling uphill, so the pull pal will naturally be pulled out of the ground due to the slope of the ground and difficult to get it past the boulders. Not saying it wont work with the right person but it wont be easy.

      2. I would not say Nathan had driver error. He was the most experienced person I this test. He has been off roading the power wagon for a while and he has been on several fca power wagon PR events. The least experience driver was in the Raptor. And he followed the rut
        , stopped, and then drove right through it. The specs show the track difference between the power wagon and the Raptor is just 5″. That is far from substantial. That video clearly shows fat trucks don’t do well off road. Even though zombiera has said for a year now that the Raptor is no competition for the power wagon. Well, again he is wrong. Saying Nathan needed momentum I don’t believe is accurate. If he had speed going over those rocks the truck would have bounced and the cracked something open on a rock. Gentle climbing seemed to be the right move. The ground clearances listed above are where the factory measured. Independent testers that measure the lowest point t has the power wagon have less actual ground clearance than the Raptor. The power wagon has a lot of low hanging fruit under its frame and we could clearly see it dragging on the rocks. It is a good thing the Raptor made it look easy and didn’t fail like the power wagon because zombiera would have 200 post in here bashing the raptor. Now he is just eating crow. Something he is very use too.

        1. Of course it was driver error that kept the power wagon from getting up. Reversing and picking a different line is what was needed, trail riding 101. Nathan *certainly* needed more momentum if he wanted to try taking the line he did, he *probably* wouldn’t have needed more momentum if he’d taken a different line with less loose dirt.

          What exactly would Nathan have “cracked open” on a rock if he’d approached his line with more speed? Seriously? What on earth do you think he could’ve broken? An axle? An AAM 14 bolt isn’t my favorite Axle, if I were swapping something in I’d much rather have a a Ford D60, but its no slouch and you’re not going to come close to breaking one on that trail.

          1. The unprotected front diif for one. The power wagon has hardly any under body protection. You start gaining speed aND plowing into those large rocks, you run the risk of opening up the front diff. As with all of these trucks, the rear diff cover is at risk of damage too.

            1. The axle tube is at least 3/8″ steel, its not going anywhere. A 14 bolt diff cover, while stamped steel, is still plenty thick and would be difficult to “crack open” on highly technical trails, much less the loose rocks they were dealing with on this trail.

              Peeling back the diff cover would be more likely, though peeling back a front diff cover is tough to do, and would be nearly impossible to do on the loose rocks on this trail.

              In short, given the terrain, a different line and a little momentum would have almost definitely pushed the powerwagon up and over the trail. If anything, I’d be most concerned about tearing a chunk from those duratracs. They tend to use soft rubber and get destroyed way too easily.

            2. I find this rather funny. In all the countless threads of how people bash the Raptor and claim the powerwagon is the absolute best off road truck in the world, not one time has anyone said it needed better tires. Not once. Now because it didn’t make it up we see it was Nathan’s fault and it was the tires fault.

            3. Pointing out that duratracs are weak tires and would probably be the initial failure point on the powerwagon is not blaming the tires for performance, not even close. Duratracs are a great hybrid tire, they just use softer rubber that makes the tires prone to tears and chunking.

            4. Are they not reinforced at all? It seams that you could have a softer tire and still have enough reinforcement to handle off road situations. I don’t know anything about them but I would have thought both companies would have given that kind of thought to them. Similar to the KO’s and Raptor.

            5. They’re a great hybrid tire, offer one of the best blends of on road traction as well as a variety of off road scenarios, particularly mud – they do much better than virtually all AT tires. But they use a softer rubber compound which is prone to (1) lower tread life (2) tears from trail obstacles and (3) chunking – chunks of tread tearing off on the trail.

              The tires are fine, probably a good choice for an OEM application. I consider them way too expensive for what they are, but they are not *bad* in any sense of the word, just limited in certain respects. I would rather have duratracs than KO2s, since in my experience they perform dramatically better in the mud in my experience.

      1. Why did TFLT bury the news about the massive 1.3 million Fords recalled last month despite posting two much smaller and less severe Ram and GM recalls just weeks earlier? We’ll never know. I’vs had posts awaiting moderation in the past because I linked to short YouTube videos of trucks, only to have the posts deleted or left awaiting moderation for multiple days. Strange things happen here all the time… can’t help but notice all the “reviews” and “previews” of Ford trucks that appear to be thinly veiled advertisements more than genuine content.

        1. So when TFL posted a HD Ford blowing up on the side of the road before it climbed the gauntlet; was another thinly veiled advertisement for Ford?

          1. Technically it didn’t blow up. The water pump failed. But it clearly shows that TFL will report everything.

            And TFL has clearly stated that they don’t try and report on recalls. That is a putc thing.

          1. I don’t care about the advertisement stuff, but this is a truck news website and when 1.3 million trucks getting recalled because the door latches could fail and allow passengers to fly out of the vehicle, that seems pretty dang relevant. They posted smaller (less than half as many trucks) recalls for Ram HD’s with bad water pumps and GM trucks that need a software update to fix a steering assist glitch that happens at less than 5 MPH. In fact they stated in the GM recall article:

            “We do not cover all of the recalls, but this one is significant because it involves a lot of trucks and affects a lot of people.”

            1.3 million trucks with defective door latches doesn’t affect a lot of people and a lot of trucks? Give me a break.

            1. You are doing a lot of crying here rammins. Can you explain to me how a door can fly open while moving? Maybe you can explain how Ford said it may not open or fully close when it is frozen. Then you could explain how someone could fly out wearing their seat belt. YOU don’t care about recalls. YOU only care about brand bashing and YOUR agenda like making up parts that fail on ecoboost engines that don’t even exist.

    6. Another question I have is where does the PW measure too for ground clearance? I have a hard time believing it’s lowest point is 14.3” off the ground. Either pumpkin is lower than that.

      1. No, the actual ground clearance on the PW is actually under 9 inches if I recall correctly. It’s not very good because of that massive low hanging differential. We have had this debate many times but I commend Toyota for measuring actual ground clearance correctly. The ground clearance for the PW is misleading but I still think it could have made it up. I also think they should ave aired down more and I wonder how many miles those tires had on them. They didn’t look as fresh as the others. The Raptor and ZR2 just did better but TFL does go out of this way to be respectful of the vehicles. Also, to Nathan’s credit, I think that he was taken by surprise because the PW has crawled up the hill relatively easy before (I think) and once he was stuck it was all over.

        1. Yes it is. 8 1/4″ if I remember correctly. But Ford does the same. Not measure the lowest point. The lowest point on the Raptor was around 9 1/2″.

          1. Ford claims 11.5 on the raptor. With the smaller differential and 35″ tires, I dont see why that wouldnt be possible.

            The regular F150 is rated at like 9.3-9.4 in the 4×4 models and that is with 32″ tires. So it loses 1/2″ to the ram but the diff is smaller.

        2. I really don’t have a dog in the fight, but comparing apples to oranges is silly. Seems bad form to tout the awesome ground clearance if they are not measuring to the same standard. I wonder what Ram’s answer is…

      2. Correct, RAM publishes a ground clearance figure of 14.5″ for the Power Wagon and it is completely untrue. Minimum ground clearance is the only thing manufacturers should publish. The Raptor has the greatest minimum ground clearance of the three vehicles here.

    7. Also, for those saying the smaller 33 inch tires were an issue for the PW, the ZR2 has standard 265/65/17 and that my friends is a 30.6” tire.

      1. I should be more clear in here. I meant small tires for the weight. Like Tires/Weight ratio.
        They could air them down much more and go more left , like other trucks did. Anyhow, that hill is steep . Very steep. They learned how to use a camera , to show us how steep it is a bit better.
        Just use a winch and be done with even steeper hill, where no one can make it without a one.

        1. IMHO,the PW needs 35’s on it. For that,they will need to lift it a bit maybe. And,without beadlocks,you don’t want to air down too much,especially with all those loose rocks. It was best to err on the side of caution. Well done Nathan.

          1. Lohchief I do agree with TFL for being cautious but I think a call to their FCA rep and they say get it up the hill. More momentum and airing down to 20 and we are up that hill. That is one steep hill though.

        2. But Zman we know that truck could make it up as is. Air down even more and get some more momentum but I do agree that truck should have 35s all day. I’m still a fan.

          1. Hasn’t the PW made it up the hill in prior videos? IIRC, they’ve already taken a PW up the “Dare” side prior to this. Anyway, while I currently drive a Ford, I have the utmost respect for all 3 trucks. IMHO, they’re all 3 outstanding in their design, I just think they’re designed for different applications.

      2. Its not tire diameter but width that would have been an issue here. More tire diameter would have made things worse for the power wagon.

        1. More tire diameter and less air pressure would definitely help.
          We know, that Power Wagon did it before many times without a drama.
          If there is enough grip, Power Wagon doesn’t care, what ever the terrain is.
          I think, that Nathan was caught off guard , but it was very entertaining video.

          1. So you would be this all generous like this post if the Raptor got stuck? I don’t think so. But in the end the Raptor don’t get stuck with a rookie driver and the power wagon did with an experienced one.

            1. Yes, you are right. I hate Fords. Everyone knows that. If Raptor gets stuck, I would make fun of it all day long. LOL.
              I admit, that Power Wagon is heavy. It has a stock winch, witch they didn’t use and I would like to see it in real action. I think, they missed this rare opportunity.

            2. And there you have it folks. The Ram could make if it had an anchor point for the winch, but it is true the other trucks made it without a winch. SO, everyone get your tickets for the Zvierra, jimmyjohn train, its going to be a long ride. Im going to pop some popcorn.

            3. Rambro, the difference is that if the Raptor would have been stuck, zombiera would be 200 post in already. But zombiera agreed that the Raptor outperformed the power wagon aND I will hold onto it and bring it up every now and then. Fyi, the ZR2 deserves credit too. It is small with low ground clearance aND small tires aND it still kicked butt.

            4. On top of that, skip to the 6:35. Andre makes nice pavement from flat rock and covers the big dug out hole for Raptor to perform. Shame on you Andre. LOL.
              At 7:14 Raptor goes left to avoid the Power Wagon trail. At 7:17. Raptor got stuck. 7:26 nice flat rock pavement for Raptor again.
              Many fresh rocks on the trail, after Power Wagon was done. Very convenient.
              I am just messing with you. It was to much for heavy Power Wagon with this tires and pressure to handle. Winch is proper tool for this situation. I miss, they didn’t try it.

            5. 7:57 Raptor goes left with left wheels over the vegetation and right wheels in the middle of the trail. Nathan, you are fired as a driver. Bring the yang fella to drive Power Wagon from now on. LOL.
              I still enjoy this video. Finally some soil digging.
              Bring more of this limiting factors when offroading. You are doing great job TFL. Except that winch not been used. Ranting is over.

          2. Sure, but more tire diameter and less air pressure just means a wider tire with larger contact patch, and a little bit more deformability (which wouldn’t have made much difference in this particular situation). In general, with a larger tire you’re just going to put more torque to the ground, which was not at all what was needed here. What was really needed was a better line with a little momentum. This is the downside of using a 3/4 ton truck on a jeep trail, at times it can really struggle in low traction situations.

          3. I agree Zman (no dog in this fight for me) and think Nathan was caught off guard and then applied too much throttle with not enough momentum.

    8. how well do those dssv shocks do at going fast off road. not everyone does technical stuff. some people just like to go fast through a field

        1. That Motor Trend test of the Raptor and PowerWagon mmakes this little video look like a drive in the park.
          It was over 2000 miles on every kind of terrain and condition you can think of for week.

          “I’m running point in the ZR2, and it’s wild. The truck is eating up the potholes, turning what would be suspension-snapping impacts in other vehicles into a bouncy ride. I’m driving on whichever side of the road is least terrible, weaving slowly across the highway while calling out the worst of it to the crew behind. The bumps cause the rear end to oversteer slightly, but the motions are slow and predictable.

          It’s a completely different situation in the Raptor. The truck can’t find any grip at the rear end, and every bump sends it skittering. Miguel has it in 4Hi and is trying every off-road mode it has. Weather mode seems to help the most, but barely.

          The Power Wagon, meanwhile, was steady through it all. —Evans”

          But, the Ford mechanics commenting here on this site are salivating with the thought of you buying the Raptor so they can fix it eternally.

      1. I don’t believe it either! Zombiera says the Raton is a mall crawler and the power wagon can’t be stopped off road. So either my eyes are wrong or zombiera. It has to be my eyes.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    9. Is the track width on the Power Wagon 68.6” or 78.6”? I know the Raptor is wide, but I don’t think the PW is closer in width to the ZR2 than it is to the Ford…

    10. I actually thought the Raptor got up the hill the easiest. I still say the PW could ave down to with airing down more and more momentum. The ZR2 did well too. As stated in earlier posts I understand TFL’s reluctance to off-road hard in these because of fear of damage. I still think Nathan could have gone up faster and feel he was caught off guard and thought the truck would just easily crawl up. While this is a good test climbing a steep rock infested slipper hill is not the only measure of success but rather one of many.

    11. In 1st place great job Andre in the ZR2
      2nd Raptor
      3rd Ram
      To me it was clear the zr2 made up the easiest since the Ram and Raptor had plowed and torn up the hill before it,and it went up and made no excuses. Regardless being soggy and loose is not ideal but fun..Lol

    12. were the roll bars disconnected on the power wagon? that would have helped and also a gentler foot on the part of Nathan. He was just digging in there rather than climb over it. Someone with better off road talent would have made it up there no problem. But it’s true, the heavier the harder it is because you need more traction so a better tire would help. But the weight in the power wagon is well invested since it has more towing and a lot more payload, it’s just an awesome truck but like all things you need to know what you are doing. And those goodyears are too small and not grippy enough. They looked worn down before the ride up the hill. How many miles on those tires?

    13. stock tires on the Ram are garbage. The BF offer the best traction hands down, by a lot. the smaller Zr2 was lighter so required less grip from it’s tire but the ZR2 has 31”!!!! vs 33 for the Ram that is at least 2x the truck.
      definitely a tire problem here.
      and a sway bar still connected.
      and heavy foot
      and wrong part of the track chosen vs the other 2 trucks
      lots of things wrong actually lol

    14. You can see the power wagon go left alot…. Had wheels full turn left pretty much and in the other trucks runs you can see the tracks are pretty much tore up right to that bush where the power wagon go stuck. Plus the frist truck up always has an easier run cause the trail wasn’t tore up. If the raptor or zr 2 went up before the power wagon failed miserably on repeated attempts they would have have made it much easier then they did. Heck the other trucks had a tore up trail to go up why the power wagon on the first accent had a nice settled trail. That first attempt for the powerwagon was the furthest it made it up. You can see based on that bush on the left that was pretty close to being run over by the time the powerwagon went full left.

      Powerwagon failed because it was to heavy and to long and the 6.4 is down on power for weight at that elevation as shown by the guantlet runs where the 6.4 can’t get out of second gear.

        1. When I test drove the Power Wagon, I had it in low gear with cold brakes and the brakes could barely hold it from moving forward at idle. My foot was going numb I was forcing the brake so hard.

            1. My driveway is up the hill to the garage, so I back up, put the ramps under the front wheels and when on the ramps, my track is leveled perfectly, to get all the oil out and check the oil level.
              Otherwise I won’t have problem to get under my truck. I have 2″ lift up front with Rancho struts with factory geometry and 1.5″ at the rear with spacers under the springs.
              Standens makes progressive springs for RAM 1500. It’s 500C$ installed. That’s what I will do next time, if I buy old model of 2018 RAM 1500, which I don’t know yet.

            2. Holy cow! You use ramps on a driveway that is on an angle? Talk about an easy way to get yourself killed.

    15. The big bad pw let everybody down. Seems everyone here is taken it out on nat on his driving skills. Which is really poor on you guys part. If you are not there why be arm chair qb? Maybe it just wasn’t pw day to go up that dare trail.

      One find interesting from the commits is that lot of people giving the zr2 giving better credit out of the 3. Yet the raptor don’t have locking front diff ,yet it seem to do well with out it. Could the zr2 go up with out with the locked front diff ? We might have seen different results.

      1. A front locker isn’t that much of a benefit on a steep trail with loose rocks. The benefit of a front locker is most obvious on rocky terrain where you have one of the front tires off the ground. The Rubicon is one of example of where you benefit from it. A Raptor is going to have a bad time on the Rubicon.

    16. None of these trucks have magical properties to make them better than the others. Two have front diff locks; one uses a Torsen front diff to effectively limit slip. All of them are running good rubber for off-road use. If anything, the DuraTrac would be the best tire for this type of terrain.

      I have a background driving Land Rovers off-road for many years. The mantra was always “as slow as possible, as fast as necessary.” Quite frankly, I think Nathan was overconfident in the PowerWagon’s abilities based upon his past experience. When the truck started to lose grip, his response was heavy throttle. A better response would have been a slow, measured approach. If wheelspin continued, back up and try a different line. He actually tore up the trail, making it more difficult for those behind him.

      Since purchasing a 2018 Raptor, I’ll admit being biased. But the Raptor and the ZR2 have better weight distribution than the RAM. The PW has a longer pickup bed, a heavier engine, and a winch all biasing weight to the front.

      Each of these trucks will have advantages in specific off-road situations. None of them is the “king” just because it performs well on one or two specific challenges. The PW would do better with larger tires. The winch is nice, for sure. The Raptor is the most fun to drive.

      1. Pw being nose heavy and not much weight in the back. might be it’s problem that day. You right weight distribution is lot better for the other 2. I bet they put 500lb weight in the back of the pw the results would be different. You don’t need much for traction.

      2. Troverman:

        Unfortunately your use of logic and reason probably fall on deaf ears. There seems to be a large camp of very vocal people here who seem to think the powerwagon is the only vehicle anyone should ever choose. Not the fact that each vehicle is unique and very strong in its own element.

        Meanwhile, 10 people a year buy powerwagons and everyone one here just likes to talk crap and wouldnt even buy one given the opportunity.

        1. The Real Jay S – – –

          Re Troverman ….
          TRJS: “Unfortunately your use of logic and reason probably fall on deaf ears.”

          Actually, I find Troverman’s level-headed and balanced analyses refreshing. His comments definitely do not “fall on deaf ears” with me (^_^)…
          He is almost always spot-on right.

          Re Buying Power Wagon: wanted to do so this year, but no manual transmission (MT), so…got a regular Ram 2500 Cummins Crew Cab instead, with MT.

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    17. I took my 2016 Power Wagon up in the mountains into a loose rock hill climb and was let down with the stock tires. Returning home to see huge chunks of rubber ripped out from how soft they are.
      Installed 35×12.5R20 Nitto Trail Grapplers on new wheels with no lift or rubbing and went back up the same trail with zero issues. Unsure if Ram has some marketing agreement with Goodyear that they decided on the stock tires, but switching them in both brand and size unleashed my trucks true abilities.

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