• 2018 Toyota Tacoma is Here: Starts at $25,200, Adds Adaptive Cruise and More


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    2018 Toyota Tacoma

    The 2018 Toyota Tacoma is here. Much is staying the same, but America’s most popular midsize pickup truck is gaining adaptive cruise control along with Toyota Safety Sense P (TSSP) driver assistance technology package is standard on all trims. TSSP uses a combination of a radar and a camera to offer pre-collision system with pedestrian detection, lane departure alert, and automatic high beams.

    The Tacoma still offers a 2.7L four-cylinder that is mated to a 6-speed manual or automatic transmission. The 3.5L V6 can be configured with a 6-speed manual or a 6-speed automatic as well . The power ratings are: 159 hp and 180 lb-ft of torque for the four-cylinder, and 278 hp and 265 lb-ft of torque for the V6.

    The truck is still offered in the following trims: SR, SR5, TRD Sport, TRD Off-Road, Limited, and TRD Pro. The 4-cyl 4×2 truck has a maximum payload of 1,620 lbs. The V6-powered 4×2 extended cab with a maximum towing package is rated at 6,800 lbs of trailering.

    The base extended cab version of the 2018 Tacoma starts at $25,200 before destination charges.

    Here is the Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro going up the Cliffhanger 2.0 trail against the Chevy Colorado ZR2 and Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Recon.


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    149 thoughts on “2018 Toyota Tacoma is Here: Starts at $25,200, Adds Adaptive Cruise and More

    1. God bless Toyota,

      Toyota Safety Sense P (TSSP) driver assistance technology package is standard on all trims.

      TSSP uses a combination of a radar and a camera to offer pre-collision system with pedestrian detection, lane departure alert, and automatic high beams.

      I wish all American brands were so committed to safety and quality.

      Toyota’s best safety technology is standard on all Toyotas now.

      Which means, you can buy a brand new $15,000 car with very advanced autonomous braking etc., and Toyota quality to boot!

      And don’t underestimate the quality of that little Yaris, I have seen them taken off-road for hundreds of miles and they can out last a Jeep Trail Hawk out in the rockies just like the old Tercels(indeestructable).

      Don’t believe me, go to youtube and search for yaris and Top Gear.

      Then go back to youtube and search for Tercel and Jeep grand cherokee trail Hawk.

      1. Jay S., is TSS available on the 18 4Runner? I still think a few models don’t have it. I do agree that these trucks are very safe but there’s some models long due for an overhaul that don’t have it.

          1. All 2018s will have TSSP. You can search Google for the adaptability charts. 4R, Tacoma, Tundra, and the Land Cruiser will all have it.

            1. Mike, I have looked everywhere and the 4R does not have it. They don’t even talk about it in their brochures. Please paste a link if you have something showing it because I’m looking at the 4R now.

      2. Frankly, if you need a sensor to switch your high beams on and off, radar to slam on the brakes if you’re going to hit something, or a camera to alert you you’re going over the center line…you’re either drunk or retarded. Either way, you shouldn’t be driving.

        Those features may be nice, but should be thought of as convenience features, not safety.

        1. Are you mad?

          Have you not noticed that 40,000 people die each year in auto accidents?

          Praising Toyota for making Safety sense standard on all models is not for derision, It should be an understatement!

          Half of the guys on this comment section are drunkards.

          1. Those are convenience features that Toyota is marketing as “safety” features. 40k people may die in auto accidents – fine – but how many countless millions have been just fine driving cars without these features…because they are conscientious drivers that pay attention to the job they have when behind the wheel: driving.

            In my opinion, this is the further dumbing down of society…kind of a gradual transition to where you “need” a self-driving car in order to be “safe.”

            How many of you guys drive cars with these features now? Well, I for one do. We have a Lincoln in our household with all of these features and a couple more. The auto high beams work pretty well…but nobody could call this a safety feature. They also can serve to annoy other drivers. They tend to dim a bit on the late side…such as when the other car is suddenly in full view and gets blinded by your lights for a half-second or two. Surely this cannot be as safe as a good driver seeing oncoming lights coming around a corner and dimming his high beams well before the other car comes into view? Or how about as the car in front of you drops over a slight rise in the road just ahead of you? Your car loses the taillights and immediately activates high beams. Then you go over the same rise, blinding the guy in front of you for a second. If you are in rolling terrain…the car does it again, and again, and again. This sometimes creates a road rage situation since the driver in front thinks your being a jerk.

            Anyone used adaptive cruise with collision warning and automatic braking? It works well most of the time, but also can “panic” on occasions where the radar system suddenly senses an imminent collision…warning beeps go off, red lights come on, and car slams on the brakes. But no collision was about to happen…it was just a car coming around a corner on a winding two-lane…but on the corner angle, the radar thought a collision was imminent. So the car slams on the brakes, scaring the passengers for no reason. Or perhaps you’re on the interstate cruising along, with a nice distance between you and the car in front of you. Suddenly a guy in the next lane chops in front of you. Your car slams on the brakes and sounds the warnings again. No collision was going to happen…it was just a typical chop-job…but because he chopped in closer than your adaptive cruise or collision aversion software was comfortable with…the car slams on the brakes. This is not safe…because you could cause the car behind you to rear-end you. These systems do not take into account if anyone is behind you and how close the following distance is.

            Let’s cover lane keeping assist. It uses a camera to see the lane markings. If you approach or cross…you get a warning and perhaps even a countersteer to bring you back into line. Sounds great, right? But actually, it only works when the lines are reasonably visible. If your lane markings are faded, or you’re operating in bad weather, or operating on rural road with no lane markings…it doesn’t work. Not to mention it can be highly annoying. Some light drifting is fine if there is no one else on the road.

            Bottom line…vehicles equipped with these systems quickly train their drivers they don’t need to pay as much attention because the systems will cover them. But unfortunately, these technologies are far from perfected and don’t always work as expected. When we become reliant upon something to protect our life…and then it doesn’t…we can be seriously injured or killed. While that rarely happens, it cannot be denied these systems are gradually removing our driving skills from us. So it is true that these features are a wonder and very clever…but they don’t make the vehicle any *safer* at all. They just transfer the job of the driver to the machine. If people are unable to drive safely without being distracted by a cell phone, a nav system, fancy audio systems, etc…they shouldn’t be on the road.

            1. You sound like a good driver Troverman and to know what you know, you have a lot of experience it seems with the road. I agree with what you are saying but I am sure the systems help more than not with bad drivers and we cannot eliminate bad drivers. Autonomous cars will reduce a lot of stress due to bad drivers and probably reduce accidents but are not without problems and its good to be aware of that.

        2. Not one of your smarter comments Troverman. I’ll take any extra safety feature I can get. Studies have shown countless times that fatigue and distractions lead to higher instances of accidents and having a little help is always welcome. I’m on the road when I’m tired and don’t want to be. We live in a distracted world (cell phones, etc.).

          1. If you’re that tired you shouldn’t be driving. It’s a problem that plaugued the trucking industry for so long that individuals diagnosed with sleep apnea are banned and hours on the road are strictly regulated.

            1. I think what Moondog is saying is that the systems help if you are aware they help reduce stress and fatigue. And as you start to get tired it helps as well to a greater degree than it would cause a problem. We will know soon because insurance companies do these studies extensively and if you have these features and they are a problem than insurance companies will be the first to know and your insurance will spike because you own an autonomous car or it will drop considerably. Everyone has to know when to pull over but autonomous helps reduce fatigue. If you have to be at point B in 12 hours you will be less fatigued in a autonomous car than you would be in a car without it.

            2. I am saying exactly what Rambro said (only differently). I’m well aware of the trucking industry as generations of my family owned trucking businesses. Fatigue is real. Many wake up fatigued. Many have no choice but to drive when fatigued. Try telling your boss you are just too tired to drive to work and see how that goes. I will take any additional safety feature I can get and that includes having my vehicle brake for me if I decide to look down just for a second to change my radio station or spill my coffee. Both my wife and I are very safe drivers. She has never had a ticket or accident and I haven’t had a ticket in 30 years. Having said that, my wife turned her head for just a second in our Yukon (something fell in the floor) and a lady in front of her slammed on her brakes for no reason (and she had great brakes). While our Yukon does not brake for her it did start making all kinds of noise and flashing. My wife said she loved the feature but wish it had gone a step further and braked for her. I would welcome a few more autonomous features as added insurance. I still like to drive but we are a naive group of people if we think we just won’t be driving when tired. Most wake up tired but are OK to drive but we are still not as alert as we could or maybe should be. Peace.

            3. If anyone thinks we are alert 100% of the time is delirious. We are human. At night I am almost 100% if I am driving above the speed limit, nothing takes me away from driving, but sometimes I am tired and have to be somewhere and thats called life and having these features is good only because other people cant drive; is mostly why I favor it. It will reduce a lot of stress. When I cant pass someone on a one lane and that person cant hold there speed and you have no choice but to follow because there are 20 vehicles you cant pass then adaptive cruise and braking takes away from the constant nuissance of people who cant drive and possibly eliminates them from holding up and blocking the highway. Driving is very stressful, I would prefer that a computer does it for everyone at some point.

    2. Is Toyota truly different?

      “I spoke with MS about the No QDR site at a dinner a while back. He response was one of surprise and after going through the list, he verbally commented with either TSB or not Toyota.”

      1. Yes, Toyota IS different.

        They value quality and safety over all else much better than all other automakers.

        That does not mean they don’t make mistakes, especially when you get farther away from their manufacturing plants in Japan.

        Toyota and Lexus were once again awarded most reliable brand.

        But beware of any fool that says there is NO difference.

        1. Toyota is like many other Japanese manufacturers. They are cautious and slow to make changes. Benefit is reliability as products have time to be ironed out. Downside is they are rarely competitive.

          1. The Real Real Jay S – – –
            November 19, 2017 at 10:45 am
            TRRJS: “Glad to see someone stole my name”

            Will there be a “Real Real Real Jay S”? (^_^)…

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        2. Toyotas are hardly the safest brand out there…the Tacoma for many years was a total death trap flimsy cheap cab. If safety and quality were so important to Toyota, they wouldn’t have had to be the only manufacturer doing a massive recall of truck frames…not to mention the rotting out flimsy control arms on early Toyotas.

          For the most part, Toyotas are reliable but ugly or bland in styling. When I think of truly safe cars, I think of Volvo or Mercedes. Electronics don’t make the vehicle any safer when it is actually *in* the crash.

          1. Hmm….220k miles…11 years…2006 Tacoma..still now drives better runs better than
            Many new cars..my v6 truck is built ecs strong n very sharp style.drives as good looks as good as it did the day I bought n drove home..no exaggeration…never any issues..never…only oil changes…tires..batteries..scheduled maintenance..test drove 2017 n 2016…just to compare…my 10 year old truck built better stronger in n out…I will never sell my truck….if I did it would have to be 15k Plus…no discussion..period..I keep forever before I ever let it go for penny less…value is based on value compared to new trucks..n value to me..period…statements are not accurate.n misleading….name another vehicle 200k plus..nare n issue..drives as good first day…strong smooth..drives like an looks like a new car to this day…please be real n communicate facts or fact based opinions..or whatever your opinion matters not n definitely not define truth or the overall reliability..quality of Toyota Tacoma…just thought I site real world example..truth…rather than generalized opinion based misinformation….

            1. 310k miles on my 2003 Tacoma crew cab v6. When I bought it was the truck of my dreams and still is. Only regular maintenance done on this truck. Love it

            2. @Jim Bob,
              I know people with Tacoma’s that have a similar mileage to you and the trucks run great. Very reliable, no real repairs or maintenance beyond oil changes, brakes, etc. But I also know other people who drive other brands with similar high mileages. My neighbor has a 1992 Saab 900. The car has 270k miles on it. He replaced the clutch at 200k. The car has surprisingly cost him very little. This is not typically the case for a Saab. Another friend shears alpacas and sheep…travels the country. His 2005 Chevy Silverado 3500 with the gas V8 had well over 300k miles on before the transmission finally failed. My family used to drive Volvo 240’s…and they always went well over 200k with virtually no repairs needed.

              Conversely…I have another friend who owns a 2005 Tacoma access cab V6. The automatic transmission is failing right now, and it has well under 200k miles on the truck. The frame also rotted and was replaced; he has done various front suspension repairs. The truck has served well…but it just goes to show no brand is perfect.

              If you like to see high mileages and longevity…walk down to your local cable TV or telephone service provider. Walk through the yard and look at the bucket trucks, vans, and pickups. Some of those vehicles have massively high mileages. I saw an F-450 bucket truck with a V10 gas engine with 362k miles on it. I saw a Chevy Express van with 311k miles on it. And its not just the miles…these engines idle a lot. The hour meter readings would be staggering.

              So no misleading statements…I’m glad you’ve had good luck with your Tacoma. It still is not a particularly safe vehicle in an accident…and the frame is prone to rusting out. No one in the world is going to give you $15k for a Tacoma truck with 220k+ on it. You can buy much newer Tacomas with half the mileage for the same money you want.

          2. The frame rust problem really bothers m2. Sure, all truck frames will have rust problems, but every Tacoma/Tundra/Sequoia/4-Runner in my region of the US has very agressive rust problems on the frame. Part of the problem is that Toyota uses open and closed C frames that collect mud and salt in the winter. And the rear shock mounts in the rear wheel well always seem to have bad rust unless the owner puts in serious effort and time in to preventing it.

            1. My Tacoma has rust problems. If you live in a state with salty winters, you need to be very proactive. Just washing the truck isn’t enough. I spray mine with Fluid Film every fall and make a point to not park it in the warm garage in the winter. Pay special attention to the rear leaf spring mounts and shock mounts. Spray the bed and tailgate too.

          3. Add Tacoma to the list of safe cars because they are. They also look great – like a truck. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder and the Taco is spanking everyone else in sales.

            1. Moondog, do you really think the Tacoma is that safe? Perhaps the current gen has addressed some safety concerns, but the previous generation starting in 2005 was not particularly safe, and the generations prior to that were definitely not safe. There simply was not enough structure to the cab. The doors – pillars – everything was thin. Getting significantly t-boned in a Tacoma meant you were not going to be in good shape.

              As for styling – sure, the Tacoma is not *bad* looking. I wouldn’t call it “knockout” but I will say the current gen is the best looking yet. I actually liked the pre-2005 styling fairly well, too. I hate the styling of the Tundra, except the first generation. My point is that in general, Toyota’s are blandly styled and some are downright ugly. The current Prius is an abomination. The Camry has always been bland. The current gen is trying to spice things up, but no one thinks of Camry and “sporty” in the same sentence, whether its true or not. You are right, styling is subjective.

              I will say, my favorite Toyota *ever* in terms of styling and function is the 100 series Land Cruiser. Very nicely styled vehicle, very capable and comfortable. But in my opinion, the styling since the 100 series has taken a sharp turn downhill and the price has climbed astronomically.

            2. Yes, they are that safe. I have friends on Tacomaworld that have been in some horrible accidents that say the truck saved their life. I have several people weekly ask to look at my truck. Mine is Quicksand and people love it. It looks like a midsize truck should look like. I love it.

        3. “They value quality and safety over all else much better than all other automakers.”

          So when they concealed information about the defective accelerator pedal assemblies that would get stuck, they were valuing safety?

          And so far, the 3rd gen has been plagued with plenty of quality issues. So much so that the Tacoma has been ranked last in reliability for the last two years in a row. And then there is the ongoing frame corrosion problem that has affected Toyota trucks for decades and recently resulted in a multi-billion dollar judgement against Toyota last year. Don’t get me wrong, Toyota builds some great vehicles, but the Tacoma and Tundra have plenty of quality and engineering design issues too.

          1. It’s foolish to think that Toyota is any different than any other corporation when it comes to taking safety or quality differently. Like you pointed out, Toyota has been caught hiding safety defects too. Same with the frame rust problems. The rear diff whine is beginning to look like another ignored problem. If it was a cheap and easy fix, they would probably do something, but when you’re looking at 50+ percent of 2016-2017 (and maybe 2018’s) Tacomas needing a new rear diff, that’s a lot of money. And ultimately that’s the problem here – money. They love when guys jump online and tell everybody that Toyota is “different” and “cares about safety and quality ❤” hahaha.

            1. By Consumer Reports… least reliable midsize truck for the last two years. Lay off the PCP and do some research before saying something stupid.

      2. I read the article you’re referring to. The problems you dealt with were very similar to the issues I had with my 2010 Tundra. Rust was the most upsetting since I had washed my truck at least once a week in the winter. The most frustrating was the 3 attempts it took to get my leaking valve covers fixed. I also dealt with a shaking problem at highways speeds that the dealer initially blamed on my tires but was eventually found to be a driveline issue. The dealer had the same dismissive attitude Mike Swears showed in the interview. Clearly Toyota doesn’t hold the same standards for quality that they once did, especially when it comes to things like oil leaks, which shouldn’t be as prevalent as they are for over a decade. I will say that the power of the 5.7 is great, but I have had to take way too many trips to the dealer considering this truck is a Toyota product. With the attitude MS had towards questions about the fuel economy of the Tundra recently, maybe he’s the problem here? He dismissed the notion that the Tundra needs better fuel efficiency (it really does Mike), maybe a new chief engineer is needed that’s interested in making Toyota trucks more efficient, more innovative, and more consistent in quality again.

    3. I wonder is they are using a new rear differential for 2018 models or is it the same “howling rear” used in the 2017 model. I know I wouldn’t buy one until that problem is corrected. It is a good looking truck!

      1. My friend is getting rid of her 2015 Tacoma and she loves the feel of the Tacoma. But after listening to that howl on a few You Tube videos she is going to get a 2018 Denali short box Canyon. We drove it and its a nice ride, the motor is clearly better, better sound, better throttle response just like the 2015 Tacoma but more power. The ride is not as tight as the Tacoma and her feet have a hard time in the Canyon because the front of the seat has no tilt so her shorter legs have a hard time in this truck to reach the floor and pedals. The advantages of the Tacoma is

        Push button start
        Adaptive cruise
        Auto hi beams

        But

        Poor engine choice, prefer the old 4.0
        No AWD option
        No heated steering wheel
        No air conditioned seats, i believe it has dual climate this year though, not mentioned in the article but I think that is also new this year?
        No remote start option
        And the possibility of the howling diff kills it for us

        What we like about Denali Canyon is

        Remote start is standard
        Heated and cooled seats
        Way better motor
        AWD
        Heated steering wheel

        What we dont like about the Denali is

        No push button start
        No adaptive cruise
        Steering is a bit loose, not as tight as the Tacomas all out feel
        Low hanging Air dam, which is not truck like at all, debilitates the trucks worth
        Resale is not as strong as the Tacoma but for Denali we expect it to be close as they are rare to find used

        She tried the ZR2 and loved it but it is too high for her so the Denali is the best choice. She would and has the chance right now to buy the Tacoma Pro in Black but if they have not fixed the diff then she is happy to go with the Canyon Denali with the standout advantage vs disadvantages between the two trucks.

        1. Currently where I am in Ontario it is a bad time to buy a Tacoma as well because the financing is 5.59% for a Tacoma so the strong resale value is killed off in the interest you have to pay. The GM’s for 2018 are at 2.5% both looking at a 3 year lease scenario.

        2. Rambro – – –

          Very nice analysis to help your friend.
          I used to do comparisons like this too, with value factors and weighting factors, no less. It helped take much of the subjectivity out of the decision making. With all the options and accessories nowadays, its easy to get confused and swayed by drama, — or get swallowed up in the complexity (^_^)….

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          1. Thanks Bernie, its not an easy decision, they are both equal trucks pretty much. Pro does have more rarity to it and more off road orientated but for her they are pretty equal choices but its come down to the above details and its hard to decide.

        3. My friend has a new Canyon and he loves it so far. I don’t care for some of the interior styling decisions GM made but it’s very solid, quiet and so far he said it has been perfect when it comes to reliability.

          1. The interior design isn’t great, but at least the seating position is right. It’s certainly not terribly in quality, just not the best styling effort. GM should have just used the half-ton truck’s instrument panel.

        4. Take the air damn off. It’s more involved than the half-ton’s version but it looks so much better, especially with a leveled front suspension (leveling shocks only).

          1. The air dam will be removed by the dealer before we pick it up or we wont buy it, they can keep the truck if they dont remove it.

        1. It might be hit and miss but Toyota cant fix it if you get one. It is well known on Toyota forums to exist and I seen the You Tube videos from actual owners video taping the sound and it is loud and annoying. You expect problems like that might happen buying used but when it cant be fixed on a new vehicle that is a big scare for her. She cant deal with that and be happy with it.

      2. We don’t have any reports yet of anyone having enough miles to tell if the 18s will have the howling but close to half polled for the 16-17 models have it. I ave it as well and so far there is no true fix identified.

        1. The sallesman is talking with their technicians and will get back to us soon to tell is if the issue was fixed for 2018. She has not pulled the trigger on the Denali Canyon or TRD Pro yet. Even if the diff is fixed it is a hard decision Moondog and we have yet to even try a Pro so its buying it sight unseen, untested. Thanks for the info

          1. So far Toyota hasn’t e en directly acknowledged the issue. It definitely isn’t caused by the leaking gasket that was “recalled” earlier this year. 99% of salesmen will just lie and say yeah the issue was corrected in the truck they want to sell you. Don’t be so gullible.

            1. They already tried to say it was corrected but I said you are talking about the leak not the howling. So still waiting to see what they say about it. I do not trust what they say of course unless it makes sense somehow. I will not be gullible.

            2. Yeah leak isn’t source of howling. It may take quite some time to correct the issue since the supplier plant making the axles is located in Thailand.

          2. I wouldn’t believe them. If your friend doesn’t want to deal with the diff noise, she might want to avoid the Tacoma. Toyota has ignored issues of similar severity and annoyance in the past. Tundras and Tacomas have had front diff vibration and noise issues form years with no fix from Toyota. Same goes for the rust issues that Toyota has ignored for decades.

        2. Nope, Toyota wont recognize the howling diff. They say they never heard of it. If you tell them to look online they just say, “well we never had an issue like that at our dealership”. Of course they never had an issue, because Toyota wont accept that it is a problem. So my friend is buying a Denali Canyon, she does not want to risk the howling diff and the Canyon has some good advantages despite the disadvantages. The howling diff was the deciding factor for her. Thank gawd for the internet.

          1. Had they been honest and recognized it as a problem and they were looking into it then that would have helped but not if they are just ignoring it.

    4. TFLT – – – –

      IMO, you still need to use the same standard OR tires on ALL the vehicles you test on Cliffhanger 2.0 to get fair comparisons of the traction hardware and software controls.

      For example: Here, the Toyota did struggle the most (slightly), giving the impression that the “vehicle” itself was less capable for this task: that’s just not the case.

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    5. I do not see on the build page where you can pair the 4 cylinder with a manual. Looks like you can only get a manual in the the TRD Offroad/Sport/Pro.

      1. They might have gotten rid of the manual 4cyl. I know they discontinued the five speed manual for the 4cyl and they might not have paired the 6 speed manual tranny to the 4 cylinder. But not sure but I read the 5 speed manual that used to come with the 4cylinder was discontinued

    6. Want to know the true feel of a vehicle? Drive the type vehicle you with that has 30k miles. Then drive a new one. If they feel the same, that’s a quality vehicle. All new vehicles drive nice.

      1. @Johnathan, that is a good point but I’d up that a bit in this day and say drive it new and then at 50K and then you have a quality vehicle if they drive the same. My older GM products drove vastly different when they hit the mid-40K mile range. They literally felt like different vehicles. This was for their minivans and non frame on body SUVs like the Traverse. My last Taco felt new when I sold it at 50K miles. In fact, it felt better once the drivetrain was broken in and the interior was just as tight as it was when it was new.

      2. That was my experience with my 2011 F-150. By 10k miles it had the “Coyote knock” problem. The front suspension just felt loose. I had 3 shocks go bad in the first 18 months, including one of the shocks replaced under warranty. Starting at around 8k miles, the front end would *pop* when driving over bumps. It was minor at first but progressively got worse. Dealer found that the lower ball joints were bad. Replaced both but it still did it. They eventually figured it was the electric steering rack and replaced it. That made it go away… for a month. Slowly it came back. It had a handful of rattles too. The door panels started rattling, the headliner had a rattle, the dash had a rattle.

        And after all that, am I mad? No. It’s a truck built to do work, not drive quiet like a Lexus.

        Ford, GM, Ram, they all build trucks that prioritize toughness and reliability over quietness and smoothness. They may loosen up, but they take way more abuse than anyone could ever expect them to. I’m a Ford guy for better or worse, and even I have to give credit where credit is due. A Ford or Chevy might feel different as the miles add up, but man are they tough.
        https://youtu.be/anfSTU6Ps9k
        https://youtu.be/TWNWpZkfqsA

    7. Anyone know why Consumer Reports rates the Tacoma as one of their worst vehicles to buy? Almost unheard of for Toyota. Say what you want about Consumer Reports, but people who buy Toyota’s are the same people who read Consumer Reports.

      1. Russ – – –

        RU: “Anyone know why Consumer Reports [CR-bek] rates the Tacoma as one of their worst vehicles to buy? ”

        This is disappointing (for CR), but not surprising: Don’t pay any attention to it.
        CR is essentially run by a bunch of southern NY EPA liberals whose only real automative experiences (and desires) center on sedans, hybrids, and cute CUV’s.
        Sorry, but they couldn’t recognize a pickup truck from a pickup woman. CR should stick to reviewing washing machines and CD players, — that’s all they are suitably capable of.

        Here’s an example of a ridiculous, prejudicial, and incompetent review that the ignorant Tom Mutchler gave of a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. My blood was beginning to boil after 2 minutes into it…

        https://www.consumerreports.org/video/view/cars/auto-test-track/1398035763001/jeep-wrangler-2012-2016-road-test/

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        1. Bernie, he was a little hard on the Wrangler but he said a lot of good things about it. I agree with him that it is a terrible highway vehicle. I rented a Rubicon before and my daughter owned a Wrangler. They have their following but they are far from a good on road vehicle but many who own them dont care, heck when I had the rented Rubicon I tried the front and rear lockers on a logging road in the snow and it was so fun you forget the bad stuff. The guy was pretty honest in my opinion.

          1. Rambro – – –

            All criticisms like Mutchler’s have a base philosophy and hidden assumptions behind them. His assumption here is that the Wrangler SHOULD ride outstandingly well, like a Chevy Tahoe or similar.
            And that is not the case for those who buy Wranglers. (For a better ride, they could get Grand Cherokee instead.) For example I prefer my choppy, “busy”, jostling little 2DR Wrangler X for 2.5-hour drives to see my grandchildren, — PRECISELY because of its ride and because it’s “alive”.

            I own (or did) 5 vehicles, two of which are smooth as glass, and therefore boring as Hell. I want a kick in the XXX once in while: it’s good for my soul. CR doesn’t understand any of that…(^_^)…

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            1. I think they are just trying to make the people with no knowledge aware and they can make their own assumptions on a test drive. As long as they dont praiss the Tahoe for off road chops then its ok. He did praise it for off road and fun to drive. The only SUV with a removable roof for off road fun.

        2. The reliability ratings are based on data collected from subscriber surveys and other data. Consumer Reports has also been accused of favoritism towards Toyota products, including the Tundra which has its own share of reliability issues but still earned their recommendation. Why would they suddenly turn on Toyota, but ONLY on the 3rd gen Tacoma?

          Their reviews are ridiculous though.

          1. Yep, their reviews are awful. But the reliability and consumer satisfaction surveys are interesting albeit anecdotal evidence. For example, they downgraded many vehicles simply for “hard downshifts”. Doesn’t matter if the vehicle starts every time and the transmission lasts 200k miles before it needs a rebuild, the simpletons at CR assume a hard downshift means the vehicle is “unreliable”.

      2. Russ Toyota is not good at change, likely why they take so long to change anything, they are scared of change because of reports like this. The Tacoma when it changed over in 2016 had a lot of problems. You still get Toyota quality and feel now that everything is ironed out but the howling diff is still a question mark and the poor throttle step in is not a favorite for many. Many complain about the new engine and tranny being sluggish. Whether that changes or not during ownership does not make it to the reviews. The transmission is said to learn your driving habits but that is hit and miss. If I drive with a light foot most of the time and then at some point want immediate throttle response than I wont get it.

        1. The problem is, a gutless engine will continue to be gutless. If they transmission logic changes then I assume that means it just downshifts more readily and you just end up spinning the motor more. Then the gas mileage probably takes a hit.

        2. It’s pretty clear that there are real reliability issues with the 3rd gen Tacoma. The 3.5 has problems unique to the Tacoma including hesitation, stalling, highway NVH, and engine knock when driving up a steep grade. The crank position sensor is blamed for some of those issues and the part has been redesigned at least once since the 3rd gen went on sale. The automatic trans has issues that engineers continue to struggle with fixing via software (the Colorado and Canyon lost points in the reliability survey due to similar transmission tuning issues like hard downshifts). The rear diff has a mjor whine issue while others have leaking gaskets due to uneven torqing and poor sealing surfaces that damage gaskets. The AC blower has issues with catastrophic failure. The brake module has had problems that put the truck into limp mode. The high pressure fuel pump is known to fail at low mileage. The rear leaf springs have issues with squeaking and creaking at low mileage (common on all leaf spring trucks of any age). The cloth used on the seats has issues with wearing and pilling very quickly. The front diff has the same vibration problems that affected the 2nd gen.

          Not so surprising that the 3nd gen was rated last in reliability for two years in a row really. I love my 2nd gen but Toyota isn’t the end-all-be-all when it comes to reliability. My truck has had its fair share of problems. The difference in reliability between Toyota and say Ford or GM is probably less than 5%, the fanboys just like to justify their preferred brand by attacking the “opposition”. My friend’s 2015 Canyon has been 100% reliable and has over 80k miles, yet if you had asked the Tacoma guys, they would have said the Canyon was going to break down before it hit 30k miles. And some of those fanboys probably had to have their 3rd gen flat-bedded to the dealer after their CPS left them stranded (it has happened to plenty of 3rd gen owners).

          1. The 3rd gen is going to need a lot of “refineme t”. Unfortunately Toyota moves very slowly when it comes to that. Their general response to issues like the howling rear diff or the previous Tacoma’s front diff are good examples of that. In fact, the front diff issue from the 2nd gen has even been carried over to the 2016+ trucks. I mean, the valve covers on the Tundra’s 5.7 are still leaking on plenty of new trucks. How many years has that been an issue that Toyota hasn’t resolved. It’s annoying that Toyota can do some things so well yet allow such obvious defects to persist for over decade.

          2. I have noticed that the taco has been poor with CR reliability ratings. Never really looked into it but your post says a lot. I would imagine Toyota is not happy about it and will rectify the issue. They have huge market share on the mid sized trucks and I’m sure they want to keep it that way.

            1. Yeah, but according to some people here, the CR reliability ratings are based on infortainment center satisfaction . . . . Ford F150 couldnt possibly have better reliability ratings than GM or Ram 1500’s, its just that Sync 3 is so amazing. And Toyota couldnt have worse reliability than everyone, its just that Entune sucks.

            2. I had a subscription to CR. The 2016 Tacoma lost points in reliability for:
              transmission problems (rated 2/5)
              body integrity – rattles, wind noise, water leaks, etc (rated 3/5)
              In-car electronics (rated 3/5)
              Drive system – transfer case, driveline vibration, electronic stability control, etc (rated 3/5)

              In the owner satisfaction survey, it received a 57/100.

    8. I have a tacoma with a rear diff that was replaced at 300 miles, but still howls loudly. Toyota says it’s a normal characteristic. Dealer’s mechanic says rear diff and transmission shifting logic is !@#$ on these trucks and their reputation is about to be ruined.

      1. When I test drove one I wrote it off pretty much right away. I’d rather drive the 12 year old frontier design.

      2. The difference between a howling Toyota and a howling Ford is that the howling ford will stop howling after long, because its engine will break down way before the Toyota does.

        While the Toyota will keep HOWLING down the road.

        Big difference!

        1. Smitty is a good example of that. Call out Toyota for inconsistent quality and powetrain issues and you’re the enemy, even if you were a lifelong member and Tacoma fan.

      1. Paul – – –

        I’d like to see it happen, but, honestly, from a marketing point-of-view, unless this new Ranger runs on fairy dust and can climb Niagara Falls, it’s going to be “too little and too late”.

        The mid-size pickup segment is now pretty well established and “in place”. The competition** has long-term credibility (“Brand Value”) and has been refined over many years.

        Tim Cain wrote a piece on the long-term plateauing of the mid-size market just this past week. That means that Ranger sales would have to “theft” sales, stolen from others; — and that’s a hard row to hoe:

        http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/11/usa-midsize-pickup-truck-market-share-going-nowhere-fast/

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        ** Principally Tacoma and Colorado.
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      2. The Ranger is 3+ years late to a market that has already experienced its boom cycle. By the time the Ranger is released, both Toyota and GM will either have powertrain updates or modified styling and interiors. The Ranger might have a big initial sales success, but many sales will be from Ford guys trading in their F-150 for a Ranger. If Toyota gets their quality issues straightened out by the time the Ranger drips, I don’t see many Taco guys trading them in for Rangers. Some may disagree with me and that’s fine. Delusional, but fine.

        1. @Brick, I couldn’t agree more about the Ranger being too late for the party. For Ford to have been so efficient in their retooling efforts when going to aluminum for the F-150, they have showed just the opposite with the Ranger. I’m a Ford fan to an extent but they really misread the market with the Ranger and I think the midsize market will be cooled off even more by the time it drops and GM and Toyota will be tough to catch and outperform. I do think the Ranger will likely outsell the Colorado but it won’t touch the Taco. The only unresolved issues for the Taco are the rear diff (a big one for me) and the tranny (not an issue for me) shifting erratically at times but there are tons of new vehicles out there with goofy shifting trannies. I look for the tranny issue to be resolved with another TSB and hope the rear differential is fixed soon (before I lose my mind). I have no issues with the power of the Taco but like most other truck enthusiast I’d like more.

          1. How important is the mid-sized market really? I kinda get the sense that Ford is doing it because everyone else is and they feel like they have too. Same with the 3.0 Diesel. I really dont understand why they are bringing that motor to market NOW, other than just to check that box.

            Obviously Ford is doing just fine without a mid-sized option or a 1/2 ton diesel so why now?

            1. The executives don’t like seeing their company missing out on sales in a market they used to do well in. GM got back into the midsize market when analysts told them they would sell 90k trucks annually. They sold a lot more than that. Honda released the 2nd gen RL knowing that they would be limited to 30k annually.

            2. Because there are people like me that don’t want a fullsize truck so they are going to buy a midsize regardless. There are more of us than you think and many millennials are now wanting smaller trucks along with older people that want a truck but no longer need a fullsize so it’s a win win. Like Brick mentioned, Honda built their Ridgeline hoping to get 30K units a year moved. If there is still meat on the bone someone will want it.

    9. I leased a 2017 TRD Sport in May, before that I had the 2015 Sport. I am noticing a few things that I’m not overly impressed with. Number one is the poor response of the 3.5L V6. Very sluggish compared to the 4.0L. Transmission is forever shifting, and when you need response you have to literally punch it. Have more rattles with the 2017 compared the 2015. When the heater is on and running at low speed, sounds like the fan has a broken blade?. I went to Toyota for the quality and overall resale value. Unfortunately the 2017 leaves me wondering if I made the right choice??
      Frustrated!!!

      1. Kojak – – –

        K: “I went to Toyota for the quality and overall resale value.”

        IMO, now you need to go the dealer and bug the Hell out him, documenting the rattles and fan issue. Document everything: you may have a viable “Lemon Law” candidate. Even top-grade vehicles follow a bell-shaped curve of quality, — yes even Mercedes Benz and Bentley (albeit a narrow one!)

        As far as sluggish acceleration is concerned, you may be out of luck, — unless they find something organically wrong with the engine that re-flashing could solve. If they can do nothing, perhaps a cold air intake kit and free-flow exhaust might help (Step 1); and beyond even that, a supercharger certainly would (Step 2). It all depends on whether you want to keep the Taco and for how long: sometimes we end up just adapting our psyches to a vehicle’s short comings and are happy anyway (^_^)…

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        1. His complaints are pretty common with the 3rd gen. Most Tacoma forums are filled with guys complaining about the mediocre new 3.5. Some are even working on custom tunes to fix some of it. If only Toyota would have left the 4.0 as an option on the 3rd gen….

          1. Most complain at first. I did as well. Then I gave the AI in the tranny enough time to adapt to my driving habits and slowly but surely all is well now. The truck has more power then my second generation 4.0 had and would smoke it from 0-60 but the power delivery feels different. The truck is slower to initially start but once it is going it goes quite well. I remember complaints about all generations of the Tacoma with regards to not having enough power yet the third gen has 42 more hp than the second gen, beats it from 0-60 and the quarter mile, yet people still complain. How does it feel to me? It feels like a midsize truck with a V6 that isn’t boosted. Go figure. We are living in a time where a modern day V6 Camry will smoke a Mustang GT back when I was a kid. Everyone wants more power but how much is enough? My truck has enough power for me. It is adequate. I’m not going to be racing it at the track on Saturday but if I want to do that I have some faster options available. ;). It’s funny how people pine for the 4.0 but when the third gen was coming out people couldn’t wait to get rid of that dog of an engine (I loved it but it was also underpowered). We have to remember that the squeaky wheels are making the most noise regarding complaints on the internet. People read 50 complaints and think something is a dog. I made noise over my last Yukon XL which to this day is one of the worst vehicles I’ve ever owned. GM did the right thing and replaced it with another one. We had a bumpy start but this one is ten times better than the last one we had. Every manufacturer turns out some bad vehicles every now and then. Is the Tacoma perfect? We know it’s not but to me it’s the best option for my needs. I still believe Toyota needs to get its act together and fix the rear diff and get the tranny shifting smother on a more consistent basis. Other than that it is hard to fault this truck. I get over 20mpg in city driving and I bet Toyota doesn’t care that the Colorado will beat it from 0-60. Neither do I.

            1. Well thats exactly the point. It’s not that the Tacoma doesnt make peak power but its not where someone driving a truck, potentially towing, or daily driving in traffic wants it. A Honda S2000 makes 240 hp, but it does it at 7800 RPM. Who wants that except for a person flying around a track. The Nissan Frontier and GM twins dont suffer from this, why does the taco?

              Its like comparing the diesel colorado to the V6. People dont pay the 4K for the diesel because it makes more peak HP. The V6 is faster up the ike. The difference is that in everyday life or towing a trailer on all but the biggest hills, the diesel drives better.

            2. I have zero issues with the power – even the low end power. I would like to see more torque down low but I’ve yet to need more and I’ve wheeled it hard.

            3. Moondog not sure what happened to my post but the 2nd gen Tacoma is faster than the 3rd gen Tacoma. The 2nd gen Tacoma even beats the 305HP Colorado in 2015 by an independent review on 4 wheeler magazine. The 2nd gen Tacoma is incredibly fast for its HP compared to the 305HP Colorado and 278HP Tacoma. This is why so many people prefer the 4.0. You baited me into this one.

            4. But the fastest times from the third gen are faster than the fastest times from the second gen, Rambro. I know we’ve had this debate but I think my third gen is clearly faster than my second gen. Now, but the more powerful version of the 4.0 from the 4R and we have a different story. I would have preferred that all day but the Atkinson Cycle engine was always about fuel economy and never power.

            5. Moondog, I think the 3rd gen is faster from any rolling start speed but its the initial launch that the 2nd gen gets that beats the 3rd gen and the 2015 305HP Colorado. You just cant catch the 2nd gen in the 1/4 mile. I know MT did a review and put the 2nd gen just 0.4s behind the Colorado in the 1/4 mile but that magazine hates the Tacoma. 4 wheeler magazine is not bias and the Tacoma beat that truck by more than a a whole second in the 1/4 mile. But the Colorado’s speed at the 1/4 mile was faster so it was catching up but could not catch the 2nd gen Tacoma on 4 wheeler magazine in the 1/4 mile. Any rolling start and this is where the 3rd gen and Colorado from 2015 would beat the 2nd gen Tacoma.

              All we have is the TFL shootout. You cannot say a truck is faster because it posts a faster time on a different day when they are so close. You have to race them side by side and the 2nd gen clearly wins out over the 3rd gen in that shootout, but if you did a rolling start then that would likely change, this is where the 3rd gen feels faster.

            6. Rambro I’ve had each gen Tacoma and that is the best indicator of all. My third is clearly faster and it’s not close. MotorTrend got 6.8 second 0-60 runs in the third gen and the second gen is not even close. To me it doesn’t matter because I’d still prefer more down low power even at the expense of winning a drag race. I love my mileage but I think Toyota could have given us both. The 3.5 is about mileage and cost saving as they are trying to use an SUV engine across the board and that doesn’t always work. I’m actually looking at a 4R now because as much as I love my truck, I’m dumping it if they don’t get the rear diff fixed.

            7. You cannot take 0-60 times from different days Moondog, has to be a side by side race. We see this with TFL as they get different times with the same vehicle on different days. Even Nathan said to one of the reader, how come the 2017 Raptor did 5.1s last year and the same Raptor in 2018 did 5.8s, again a huge difference as you describe because the trucks were not raced the same day. TFL raced both Tacoma generations and the 2nd gen beat it by a lot. I have test driven the 3rd gen and it is a bit quicker if you manually shift gears and hold the rpm higher but there is no way it will beat the 2015 Tacoma I had out of the whole and at that point you cant catch it in the 1/4 mile.

            8. I understand where you are coming from Rambro and fully understand that temperature, wind, humidity, elevation, and many other factors come into play on any drag race or timed run. I spent my youth at the track with my dad who was a local champion race care driver. I get all this. I know that you do too. At least you are not one of these blowhards on here trying to explain suspension vs body/spacer lifts to support the contention that they can lift their ZR2. Heck anything can be lifted. Maybe I’ll lift my 911 GTS when it gets here.

              To me my third gen under very similar driving conditions is faster than my second gen was but let’s face it neither one are fast, even by truck standards. I would rather have the 4R version of the 4.0 though. I love my Taco but I’m frustrated with that howling rear diff and to me any and every person on here is justified in criticizing Toyota over it. We’ve been building trucks for too long to have something so basic go so bad. But, I’m not frustrated enough to buy another GM. I’ll buy a Ford or a Jeep truck first. I trust and hope you are doing well my friend.

            9. Moondog after seeing so many different 0-60 times on different days with the same truck I dont trust it anymore unless the two are side by side and the drivers do a switch. Even TFL’s Andre has spoken out on it to a blogger. Every day it changes due to humidity, pressure and temperature plus driver error and whether or not brake boost. MT trend even started the F150 in second gear due to wheel spin in first gear with an F150 and compared that to a GM and posted the stats. Neither truck is fast but its still good competition for the crap we are stuck with. Hopefully someone forces better. As for lifts I know very little, did a body lift once but it wrecks the vehicle long term, they end up riding like crap in a few years and brings the value down vs what you spent. Looks like you have some very polite bloggers to talk to.

              But I agree the third gen is faster 99% of the time but the second gen launches the holeshot so much better it gets ahead of the 3rd gen, without the dead stop it wont keep up to the 3rd gen but they are both very close regardless.

          2. I guess it is the link, TFL wont allow the link. Just google Power wagon, Tundra, Colorado Tacoma Pro 4 wheel magazine and you will find the review where the 2015 Tacoma destroys the 2015 305HP Colorado in the 1/4 mile and 0-60 on the same day by an independent review.
            Colorado 0-60 8.6s, 1/4 mile 16.6s
            Tacoma 2nd Gen 0-60 7.2s, 1/4 mile 15.6s

            And that Tacoma was up against 305HP with bad throttle lag like the 3rd gen with 278HP. In a highway passing scenario however the 3rd gen Tacoma will do better, but nothing beats the launch you get from the 2nd gen Tacoma. Likely why the Colorado had to update their motor completely because of the complaints.

            1. The 2017 Colorado V6 posted a significantly better time with the new 8-speed.

              2017 Colorado V6 8A C/D TEST RESULTS
              0 to 60 mph: 6.1 sec
              Standing ¼-mile: 14.8 sec @ 95 mph

              2015 Colorado C/D Test Results
              Zero to 60 mph: 7.1 sec
              Standing ¼-mile: 15.5 sec @ 91 mph

              2016 Tacoma 3.5L 6A C/D TEST RESULTS
              Zero to 60 mph: 7.9 sec
              Standing ¼-mile: 16.1 sec @ 91 mph

              2016 Tacoma 3.5L 6M C/D TEST RESULTS
              Zero to 60 mph: 7.3 sec
              Standing ¼-mile: 15.8 sec @ 89 mph

            2. “Likely why the Colorado had to update their motor completely because of the complaints.”

              They didn’t update the engine because of complaints. The new V6 in the 2017 Colorado is an improved design that replaced the previous version across GM’s vehicle lineup. Lots of fuel economy improvements, noise reduction improvements, and design changes to extend timing chain life.

              They share the same displacement but is a ton design refinements.
              http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lgx/

            3. Mark Rawlings, I dont take 0-60 times from different days. I want to see the video of the trucks running side by side. There are too many factors that affect 0-60 times on a daily basis and there are terrible auto journalists out there and driver error. I have driven both Colorados and there is no more throttle lag with the new engine. I really want to see the new Colorado race a manual 3rd Gen Tacoma and a manual Frontier and a Ridgeline at the same time on the same day. That would be an awsome show down.

            4. Grizz I read on several forums that guys were dissapointed in the power from the 2015 Colorado. We even see it lose badly in 4 wheeler magazine to the 236Hp Tacoma. Many guys buying a 305Hp midsize expected a lot more. I cant help but think GM must have had a lot of complaints. There are several dissapointed owners because of it. The new motor did not improve mpg, in fact it lost an mpg but some say the epa test changed. Regardless the new GM motor is a lot better than the first one. I dont have any complaints after testing it. Other than we need a V8 option imo

    10. The more electronics put into vehicles the more expensive they become & reliability is questionable.Just look at the more expensive vehicles & you will see the number 1 complaint is electrical problems which cost dearly to repair if your mechanic can even find the problem to fix it. There are just too many systems being put into passenger vehicles & the electrical systems are overloaded.

      1. The problem is CAFE, which forces automakers to make decisions that improve fuel economy at the expense of drivability and reliability.

        1. There’s a distinct and massive difference between a “lift kit” and a “body lift”. A body lift is a spacer between the cab/bed and the frame that increases room for larger tires without modifying any suspension components. The Hall Racing ZR2 had a BODY lift to allow fitment of 34″ tires. The Colorado Race Development truck shown at SEMA 2017 had a BODY lift. The 2017 ZR2 utility truck that got a lot of attention for having 33’s at the spring press event was able to fit the larger tires because it had a BODY lift. GM themselves will be selling a ZR2 body lift kit eventually because even they know that it won’t affect the function of the suspension.

          Traditional lift kit: Changes suspension components and geometry in order to increase ride height.

          BODY lift: Replaces body mounts in order to increase space between the cab+bed and the frame, allowing for fitment of larger tires. Suspension geometry and function remains UNMODIFIED and functions just as it did when stock.

          Please don’t spread misinformation.

          1. Not spreading any and wheel like crazy. I know all about lifts, my friend. Read the article. I just posted something for your to read. If you are even mentioning spacers then you only understand cheap lifts. Spread something worth reading.

            1. Clearly you don’t. You’ve made it absolutely abundantly clear that you have NO IDEA what you’re talking about.

              That article is discussing strut spacers and bracket lifts, not BODY lifts you dimwit. They don’t mention body lifts ONCE in that article.

            2. I’m referring to what the other guy said! Yes, I fully understand. I just posted a link. I didn’t even read the whole article myself. Relax princess.

            3. A body lift is not even mentioned in that article. They are only discussing suspension lifts. Wow are you dense.

            4. I never mentioned a body lift Rammins or whoever you are. I know what that is. I posted an article of a guy who wheels (unlike you) about why the ZR2 shouldn’t be lifted and apparently it hurt a few feelings. I wheeled last weekend and the week before and before. How about you? I thought so. Any truck can be lifted but the question is should it be and how much would it disturb the character of the truck? A body lift to get bigger tires is up to whoever owns the truck. Been there done that. Peace to you and those who feel they have to call names to feel better. Dense? Nope. Honest? You betcha. Best of luck to you and those GM fanboys.

            5. If you lift the truck you mess with its geometry which is what the article said. Whether you lift the suspension or the just body lift it you are screwing woth the geometry of the truck and that screws with the shocks that were engineered for the trucks ride height. Raising the truck offsets the center of gravity and the way the shocks work in corners will be affected. Any lift on any vehicle will screw up the engineered design and this is why your resale goes to sht. But you do gain the testosterone affect which might be worth something to certain people. I am not bias either way. Do what you want to do.

            6. “I posted an article of a guy who wheels (unlike you) about why the ZR2 shouldn’t be lifted and apparently it hurt a few feelings.”

              The point the author was making, since “you didn’t even read the whole article” yourself, was that you would ruin the function and engineering of the ZR2 suspension if you install a suspension lift, whether that be a strut/block lift, a knuckle lift, or a bracket lift. A body lift is completely different since it doesn’t change the angle of the control arms, the suspension travel, the camber/caster/toe of the suspension, the spring rate of the suspension, etc. The change in the center of gravity is so minute in the modified ZR2’s with a 1-1.5″ body lift, that most would find it difficult to detect. Even more so if the new tires are any wider. The change in unsprung weight due to the larger tires might be the only noticeable change (albeit quite small), but the DSSV shocks will still function exactly like they did from the factory. Overall, a body lift is the best option in this case since the IFS geometry is left untouched. It’s relatively cheap and allows nearly a full inch of increased ground clearance with 33’s installed.

              The 2018 Tacoma is no different than the 2016-2017 Tacoma with regards to lifting. The biggest concern is the front diff, which can caused vibration issues due to the needle bearings in the factory design. Not sure if the ECGS fix is as effective as it was with the 2nd gen.

    11. If I was in the market for a midsize I would look at the new Frontier, last generation was solid. Not a fan of the new Colorado, too much plastic interior and and unattractive body style IMO. Hard to beat the Taco long term. I would wait for year 2 or 3 for any new body changes. Never buy first year on any vehicle. But I’m unique in that I keep my trucks for a minimum of 10 years.

      1. I generally like how the Frontier drives, but I had a crew cab SV as a rental for 4 days and that was enough for me to say I wouldnt buy one. The gas mileage is so bad on and the tank so small that it barely for 300 miles of range. This was 95% highway driving at 65mph. Being here in Utah, its pretty much 350-400 miles to the next city(Denver, Las Vegas, etc). I drive 4.5 hours to go camping all the time. If I ever had to tow my travel trailer with the Frontier I would legitimately fear running out of fuel. Either that or I would probably be filling up at a half tank to ensure I could make the next segment of the trip.

        Turning radius is awful. Its literally as bad as my supercrew long bed F150. Why have a smaller truck if you cant park it any easier than a full sized.

    12. Toyota’s are great! No question! But innovative? No Sir! I have family in the auto industry that provide electronics and other components to all manufacturers and they say that Toyota is DEAD LAST to try new products. Don’t believe me – just look at the same boring “torque-less” engine choices year after year. Wanna know the company that is constantly innovative according to the vendor/suppliers? FORD! UNTIL YOU HAVE FELT THE RELENTLESS SURGE OF AN ECOBOOST ENGINE UNDER YOUR YOUR RIGHT FOOT GOING UPHILL, WHILE TOWING, AGAINST THE WIND AT 6000 FOOT ELEVATION (at low rpm to boot), YOU’LL NEVER UNDERSTAND!

      1. It seams that most Japanese car companies doesn’t add a ton of tech with their vehicles. They seem to add a little here and there. I think it has to do with trying to keep reliability high.

        1. And that is great. The thing is, being someone what of a nerd, I am more excited about having direct injected turbo charged engines with 7000 speed transmissions and all sorts of new technology than bragging about how my car has never had an issue, ever. I get off on that. I get off on modifying my vehicles to make them perform better whether that be speed, handling or efficiency. If I have to work on my truck once every couple of years to fix a sensor or whatever it may be, that makes no difference. Hell, if the turbos blow up on my ecoboost, Ill be smiling as I open up the Full-Race website on Chrome and order myself a pair of GT turbos and ported exhaust manifolds.

          1. Yet its funny because the only truck that is not rated better than the GM 1500’s on reliability at Consumer reports is Nissan(who is rated the same) and all but one brand that is rated better uses DOHC V8’s or DOHC V6 TT’s.

            1. The GM 1500’s lost the majority of their points for hard downshifts (normal for a GM or Ford 6-speed), the vibration problem that some have, and the AC condenser problems. The engines have nothing to do with their poor ranking by CR.

              I have to agree with Brick here. There are far more moving parts in a DOHC V8 engine’s valvetrain. 4 cams, 4 cam phasers, a HUGE timing chain (just a small amount of wear is magnified when the timing chain is that long), big timing chain guides (the plastic ones love to break apart and clog the oil sump screen), timing chain tensioner, two shorter timing chains for each bank, 32 hydraulic lash adjusters (V8), 32 cam followers, 32 valve springs, 32 valves, 4 VVT solenoids, etc. The massive part count alone increases the chance of a problem. Our old 88 F-150’s 351 windsor took 2 decades of neglect and abuse and still ran. The 04 F-150 had all kinds of problems. Busted timing chain guide plugged the oil sump, cam phasers started knocking, had a rocker break off. The 351 needed a new lifter but we changed it as soon as we caught the problem.

              I’d rather spend my time using my truck for work, not spending it (and lots of money) trying to get my truck runnign again.

      2. Oh I understand, and its addicting. I am actually annoyed at how easy it is to tow my travel trailer because I thought it would be more of an adventure, but I end up forgetting its even back there.

    13. I like seeing Toyota adding these features, but the ACC would be the most useful for me. That said, just like the typical life cycle of a vehicle or generation of a vehicle, nothing jumps out at me that would make me purchase this 2018 Tacoma prior to the release of Jeep and Ford into the midsize market. This leaves me waiting until 2019/2020 or even 2022 if things work in my favor. I personally find it annoying that both Colorado and Tacoma both are missing some features on one, but not the other.

    14. In addition to my post above, I also find it interesting nobody has mentioned the reduction in Highway Fuel Economy. I test drove a 2017 earlier in the year, it was a TRD Off Road, 4×4 Double Cab, Short Bed, 18/23/20 (City/Highway/Combined). Someone on TW posted a photo of a window sticker for a 2018 Tacoma TRD Offroad, 4×4 Double Cab, Short Bed rated at 18/22/20. Could that be optioned differently, different EPA testing cycle, transmission tuning updates, rear differential updates, front grille design adjustments?

      1. Good point, they might have adjusted the throttle lag tuning or the extra weight from the added safety features that are standard has knicked it down even by 0.1 to 0.5 could round the number down by 1 point from last year.

      2. It’s possible that Toyota has a new transmission/engine calibration to fix the stalling, hesitation, and clunky shifting that has hurt their reliability reputation. I’ve said for a while that the reason the 3rd gens have been having that sort of issues is because they tuned the transmission to maximize fuel economy at the expense of drivability and to a lesser extent, reliability.

    15. My son-in-law just bought a 2018 frontier( crew cab, long bed). It’s a great little truck! It rides nice, is well equipped with usefully options. And the best part is: when he steps on the gas, it just goes, no hesitation, no clunky transmission, no constant shifting back and forth. While I’m not a mid size truck owner myself ( I need a heavy duty truck with our business), I have to say I’m impressed with his new frontier. And for those of you that care it came with a good price point.

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