• Fleet Owner Review: Bought Ten 2017 Nissan Titan Trucks – How Do They Compare?

    2017 nissan titan crew fleet review
    2017 Nissan Titan SV

    I have a fleet of ten 2017 Nissan Titan 1500s that were all purchased over the past nine months. All trucks are 2WD, all have the gas V8, five are regular cabs, and the other five are crew cabs. The 5.6L gas V8 is the only engine offered in 2017 for the half-ton Titan, and it is likely the only engine option I would bought anyway.

    [Editor’s Note: big thanks to Shelby for providing this review and all images you see here.]

    There are four SV trim model crew cabs with the only available 5.5-ft beds, one SV trim regular cab (8ft bed), and four S trim regular cabs. The most recent purchase was the Premium luxury package PRO4X with all the options for one of our top executives. It is the only 4×4 we have.

    Just a little back ground, I have about 45 vehicles in my business fleet. They are mostly trucks, box vans, cars and SUVs are all in the mix. I currently have four brands of full-size pickup trucks in the fleet. Ever since the new 2017 Titan half-ton was launched last year, I had been following this truck closely, studying everything about it. I do this whenever a new truck product is being released, no matter what brand it is.

    It appeared like Nissan was finally becoming a decent option for us to consider for purchase. Nissan had clearly made a lot of improvements to this latest generation of Titan. They finally brought a regular cab with an 8ft bed to the market. Unfortunately, Nissan killed off the 8-ft bed extended cab 1500s. That led us to also purchase the last brand standing that offers a steel floor 8-ft bed extended cab truck, which is the Toyota Tundra. We purchased two Tundras this year as well.

    We have between 3,000-12,000 miles on the new Titans. We have had zero problems, and our loaded and working real-world fuel mileage has been ranging in the 15-18 MPG, which is basically the same as the V8 F-150s and 5.3L Silverados that these trucks replaced. The Titan’s 5.6L DI V8 and the 7 speed transmission offer a noticeable increase in power over outgoing 2009-2014 5.0 V8 Fords and even more noticeable over the outgoing 5.3 GMs.

    Employee reports have all been positive regarding the new Nissan trucks. Lots of compliments to the seat comfort over the outgoing trucks. I personally drove all of the new Titans prior to putting them into service. I drove each of them anywhere from 50-500 miles before placing them into service around the company. I wanted to double check everything was meeting my company needs and my expectations.

    I was really impressed with the trucks performance and comfort. In particular, the seats are very comfortable, more so then any of the other brand’s seats that we have in service. We currently use all five full-size truck brands. I really don’t have any particular brand bias. I always do a lot of research and try to select the best truck to fit our needs for each application. It is not always just price or a particular brand name for me.

    The 5-year 100K bumper to bumper warranty meant a lot to me when it came trying some of these new model trucks. I had recently had several costly ($1,500.00) AC system repairs made to some of the outgoing 2014 and 2015 GM trucks all well under 100k miles on them. Ford F150s had been typically having electrical issues with sub 100K miles and some mechanical issues with transmissions and rear-ends with 125k-150K miles. Over the past few years, the Rams have been proving to have the lowest repair cost for us. That honor used to go to GM for lowest repair cost in our typical life cycles, but GM’s recent air conditioning issues have spoiled it. The 2015 Ram that is being traded on one of the latest Titans has 108k miles on it and has had zero unscheduled repair bills. This is why the 5-year 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty is important to our business.

    I admit theses Nissan Titans are not really #1 in very many categories, but they are proving to be pretty good trucks so far as they are doing everything we need our trucks to do quite well. For us, it boils down to hauling our products from point A to B, as well as keeping our drivers safe and comfortable while out on the roads.

    2017 Nissan Titan S

    Nissan Titan S : Pros

    • Great warranty 5yr 100k bumper to bumper.
    • Nice feature content for the price point. (Ie. Power windows, power locks, tilt and cruise, Bluetooth, push start, intermittent wipers, redundant audio controls) these are all items that come standard on the S models.
    • Wheel-well humps inside the beds are at a minimum in size, offering good usable space in regards to the truck bed floors.
    • Decent amount of space behind the seat for a regular cab truck.
    • Comfortable seats.
    • Great power/performance
    • Good bed floor loading heights, along with the shorter bed sides, make it much nicer to work out of them, then some of the other brands on the market that have really tall bed sides and really high load floors. This is a category where I truly miss the old GMT-800 platform GM tuck’s from 1999-2007 those trucks were really great to work out of.

    Nissan Titan S : Cons

    (Things I think Nissan could improve on.)

    • Power mirrors are not available in S model trim. This is a safety feature I typically always buy. We have different drivers of different shapes and sizes operating these trucks from one day to the next. Being able to adjust the mirrors from the driver seat can be very important, when it comes to safety. I struggled most with this particular short fall of the Nissan Titan S model, where the SV trim version was just too nice and too expensive for this application, and the RAM did offer this feature at a similar price point on the tradesman trim level. In the end, it was really the warranty that more or less swayed me to try some of these for this application.
    • Backup camera is not available on this trim level (a safety feature that I think should be on all trucks and SUVs). I thought the government had mandated this. When will it will go into effect?
    • Beds are slightly narrower at the bed rails then all other brands, not an issue really, other then I had to purchase new racking for these trucks since none of my other racks would fit.
    • Paint on the long bed trucks was slightly below par (not a major issue on work trucks) also not an issue on any of the SV+ crew cabs.
    • Cheaper fuel door hinge design on these trucks with longer 8ft bed trucks, including the one SV regular cab long bed.
    • Poor lighting or backlighting of the center info screen, the one that is located in the center of the gauge cluster. At max brightness settings, it can be still very difficult to impossible to read on bright sunny days. The center screen is much better on any trim level above the S model.
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    2017 Nissan Titan SV

    Nissan Titan SV : Pros

    • Great warranty: 5yr 100k bumper to bumper.
    • Good technology features for this mid-level trim price point.
    • Comfortable seats. Power seats to boot on our crew cabs.
    • Nice rear seat area storage features (similar to Ram)
    • Rear seat air vents (I really hope to see GM finally join the rest of the market with this feature on the 2019s)
    • Excellent safety features for a mid-level trim, blind side monitors, back up cameras, lots of air bags,
    • Good handling characteristics
    • Column shifter, even in bucket seat models (lots of functional space in center consoles.
    • Trucks have a good working height, at least for a modern day truck. The bed sides are shorter then say an F-150. You can actually reach over the side and grab a few items off the bed floor, without having to get all the way up into the bed.

    Nissan Titan SV : Cons

    • Small fuel tanks, no optional high capacity fuel tank offered. It’s not offered on any trim level.
    • Smaller rear seat area, then a Ford or Toyota crew cabs. Titan crew cabs are more on par with GM and Ram in terms of rear seat passenger room, which more often for us just extra cargo room.
    • Odd-shaped front fender badges, plus they are stamped fenders under that badge, so you can’t really just remove it. Interesting side note. S models don’t receive that odd shaped fender badge and the fender is smooth. S model front fenders look a lot cleaner to me.
    • Regular cab SV truck did not get a power seat, like our crew cabs. Power seats can make a big difference for guys spending all day in their trucks. This feature is not offered on any of the regular cab trucks. Note: SV is the highest level trim you can get in the regular cab configuration.
    2017 Nissan Titan SV

    Nissan Titan PRO-4x Crew Cab: Pros

    • Great warranty 5yr 100k bumper to bumper.
    • Nice quality leather seats, again very comfortable seats.
    • All the latest tech features i.e. surround view camera system, Blind side monitors,
    • Push button start etc. Note (all Titans have push button start)
    • LED lighting, including really nice bed lights.
    • Wheel and tire package looks really good. Love the 18″ black center wheels with the machined edges. I think this packaged is really a good looking truck.

    Nissan Titan PRO-4X : Cons

    • The center stack infotainment screen is a little small for trucks in this price category/ trim level. Resolution could stand to be a bit better as well.
    • Paint color choices. I am just not wild about getting forced to take a pearl metallic white paint at premium cost, in order to get a top trim truck. I personally prefer the Nissan regular glacier white paint which I have on all our other Titans. I really don’t get why some manufactures think putting metal flake in white is something to be required on high end trucks. GM, Toyota, and Ram all offer their highest trim trucks in their regular real bright gloss white paint. Ford does the same thing as Nissan has, I.e. only pearl metallic white for platinum F-150s. I don’t understand this restriction of real simple gloss white from top trim trucks. I get pearl white on moms mall crawler Luxury SUV, I don’t get this at all on 4×4 pickup truck, especially on a rugged looking off-road model like this Pro4x.
    • A larger fuel tank should be standard at this price point. GM has this same issue. Ram, Ford, and Toyota offer high capacity fuel tanks (32-38 Gal).
    • (On a personal note): The large 38-gal fuel capacity, plus the pure gloss-white paint being offered in a platinum trim level truck, were the main reasons the truck I bought for myself is a Toyota Tundra Platinum. There were a couple other minor benefits to the Tundra. I really miss the push button start (in the Tundra). I had it on my Ram and would have had it if I bought the Titan.

    Summary

    Nissan has a good truck on their hands with these new Titans. I feel they are leaders at least in one or two areas: comfortable seating and the warranty. No truck in my opinion is perfect nor does any brand offer a truck for every application. I really feel Nissan is now in the game. I doubt we will ever see them rival the big three in terms of massive sales volumes the big three yield every year, but I bet Nissan is going to be happy with their growth in the truck segment.

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    65 thoughts on “Fleet Owner Review: Bought Ten 2017 Nissan Titan Trucks – How Do They Compare?

      1. LoChief, electric is coming, more low end torque than you can handle and mpg that will have you thinking you died and went to heaven.

        1. Rambro
          Not anytime soon. For serious towing anyway. Also, notwhat he remarked about. Like I’ve said several times before, you try and turn every comments section into electric truck fan fiction.

          So tiresome.

      2. Packaging, mostly. I6 engines require a lot more deviation from the ubiquitous V8. Story might be different if GM had decided to keep their Atlas I6. I agree that a 4L 6cyl would be the sweet spot in a half-ton truck. Toyota and Nissan offered that configuration for years (slightly larger) and Cummins has a 4.2 I6, but I haven’t seen how much it weighs.

      1. I may try and put something together like this regarding our 2 new Tundra’s as well.

        There are a lot good features I found impressive about the Tundra’s as well.
        One in particular bight point as mention in my Titan article, is that Toyota has an available 38 gal fuel tank, another is that Tundra’s have an outstanding turning radius, which is especially nice on a double cab with an 8ft bed.

        I am very happy with the Tundra’s as well.
        The first one now has 5000 miles as of last week, and the other (mine) now has 3000 miles.

        1. Good review. I also come back to the Tundra for the Double Cab w/8ft bed. I hope the keep it for the next generation.

    1. Thanks guys, glad you guys liked the review.
      If you have any specific questions about our Titans.
      Please Feel free to ask. I am always happy to try and help.

      1. Fleetguy – – – –

        This has to be the best truck review I have ever seen: not only impartial, but helpful with suggestions for the manufacturer. And it took a lot of work on your part to assemble the “Pros” and “Cons” and keep track of them.

        I have a 2010 Nissan Frontier, and, while it’s no Titan, I too was surprised by its reliability (NOTHNG has gone wrong in 7 years!), quality, ergonomics, and comfort.

        TFL Staff – – – Can you find similar fleet situations for the other brands as well? This type of analysis is real-world, and can furnish at least a little bit of the long-term testing that we have been asking for.

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        1. I second Bernie 👍. Great unbiased review! BTW, I really like the Nissan Frontier. I just wish it got close to 19 or 20 mpg combined.

          1. Tomahawk – – –

            Thanks.
            I average 22 MPG in mixed driving, with Crew Cab, but with and Manual Transmission (MT). Yes, it’s the VQ40, 4-liter V-6. I get 25 MPG highway at 55 MPH; about 23 MPG at 65 MPH.

            As Lohchief hinted (below), with the new diesel, that vehicle could average 28 MPG mixed; and likely get 31-32 MPG highway, — if they offer the MT with it.

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          2. I’ve had mine since January of this year- V6, automatic, crew cab with long (6′) bed. The trip computer says 23.4 average mpg, when I figure it out between fill-ups it’s usually 22.4-22.6, and that’s mostly highway miles. Either way, that’s not bad, and it’s more than I ever got with my old Sierra with a 5.3L V8. Not MUCH more, mind you. Some say Nissan’s 4.0L V6 is too inefficient and obsolete these days. Maybe, but I figure if it’s good enough to be the base engine in their full-size commercial vans, it’s good enough for what I’ll use it for. No complaints here.

      2. Fleetguy
        I agree, this is a great review. My only comment on your review is, I don’t agree with comparing 09-14 F150 5.0 trucks and GM’s for that matter. Your comparing old style F150’s and GM’s against a 2017 Nissan truck. If your going to compare manufactures, then use the same model years.

        The 2016 F150 5.0 that I have now with six speed auto gets just over 20 miles to the gallon. And thats just regular combined driving. If I do any long hauls about 21.5 miles to gallon. I have had my truck about a year and a half with no issues at all.

        But thank you for putting allot of efforts into your review. I can’t imagine how many hours you invested into gathering all your info, and then putting it into a review. Well done.

        1. The 3.5 ecoboost only beat the titan by seconds up the ike, after the titan was docked 4 seconds by tfl. Lol. What that tells me is that the titan is most likely the strongest 1/2 ton. Lighter aluminum truck towing same load with boosted motor wins only by seconds. Fail.

          1. well that pesky speed limit gets in Ford’s way. The 3.5 EB could easily defeat any other half ton time wise, but since they hold it to a 60 mph cap, it makes the results look far closer than they actually are. The Ford loafed up the Ike Gauntlet at 3500 rpm with a 9000 lb trailer and power to spare. No other half ton, except maybe the Ford 2.7, can do this.

        2. True on the Fords. Dropped Ford when they went all aluminum after 2014. Aluminum beds killed our ability to put our power lift gates on them.

          Some of the GM trucks that were replaced this year with Titans were 2014,2015 model year Silverado’s with the current DI 5.3L. None were the very latest with the optional 8 speed trans. I would say these were more apples to apples.

          One thing about fuel mileage, I tend to see other owner reports vary greatly from people around the country.

          I feel a lot of that has to do with area speed limits, area wind speeds, and types of loads people carry.

          In my cases were in OK/KS/TX/MO and we quite often have some hefty wind speeds. Now days you travel this part of the country you will see giant wind farms all over the country side .

          Also our interstate speed limits are quite often 75 mph in this part of the county, combine that with a 15-30 mph head winds and fuel mileage looks a whole lot different then it does for other people with the same type of trucks in different parts of the country.

      1. Not when you can’t put the power lift gates on F150’s aluminum beds. That is all you can get on the current F150. According to our up fitting company and the info they tell me Ford provides them, that Ford does not recommend putting more then a 1/4 inch hole in bed of the F150s.
        So our racking and lifts can, would and has been a deal killer for continuing with any F150s at least in the power lift gate applications, which is all our trucks with long beds (8ft beds).
        The new Super duty has a reinforced bed just for this, but I am not wanting to pay the premium price for nor wanting to feed F250s at the pump, when 1500’s can do the job just fine for our needs.

        That’s primarily why Fords have been off the shopping list since 2014.

    2. For those talking about price, you can’t overstate the 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty…especially for fleet managers. Knowing you won’t have any large, unexpected repair bills is appealing.

        1. I’m curious on why you don’t keep your trucks longer than 100K. Our fleet of over 300 vehicles, we try to keep 10 years or 300,000k. Trucks are a huge expense and even the repairs can save you money over buying new.

          1. Jimmy Johns.
            I work the residual value vs the cost of repair angle all the time.

            I recently tried to push some Fords F150s over the 150K mark and wound up buying a rear diff at 130k , and a transmission at a 145k. Combined repair cost was more then the truck was worth at 150k.

            My target depreciations cost is 10-12 cents per miles. That is what we paid vs what we got for it when it sold. I can generally stay in that range and trade most all our trucks in the 80-120K mile range. It varies by what configuaration of truck we are talking about. Like the Crew cabs have a lot of retail market appeal and bring big money if kept under 100K. Where the regular cabs with the lift gates and expensive up fit cost tend to have to go 120K to stay in that target range.

            Down time is also a major factor.
            In our business almost all our profits are made in a 3-4 month period. If a truck goes down in that critical time frame, it can be a real issue. Finding trucks to rent that are configured with the power lift gates and or bed designs we need can also be a real issue.

            I have generally found it works out best for us to let someone or some other business that operates on maybe a more local area or one that has more reserve trucks in their fleets take these trucks on out to those 300K sort of miles.

            It always about the pro and cons. You can push a truck out to a million miles, but at what cost, what sort of down time, what sort of problems would it cause our customer if we break down and can’t deliver them their goods when promised, which in peak season, they are really counting on us to have there when they need it.

            1. Thanks for the info. I suspected you likely sold them off at that mileage range. Our company has a policy to never sell vehicles or equipment. To much liability according to some. So we are forced to keep our vehicles as long as we can. Plus capital can be hard to come by too. You definitely keep dealers in business with all your purchases that is for sure.

        2. Mine does, or at least some of my trucks can hit 100k in 2 years, others might take 5 years or more.

          It all depends on the application.

          I have some sales people traveling over 4K miles per month on average.

          So yes warranty terms like Nissan has provided was important at least to me it was.

        3. The warranty is a gimmick? Then why in your original post did you state how costly repairs to GM AC systems occurred prior to 100,000 miles? And your direct quote: “This is why the 5-year 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty is important to our business”. Which is it?

          1. Sorry, Dave
            I think your mixing up who said what here.

            ‘Fleet buyer”said the warranty is a gimmick, not I .

            I wrote the article. Fleet buyer just has a similar user name made that comment. I have no idea why he believes the warranty is a gimmick. He didn’t really elaborate as to why.

    3. I purchased a Tundra in 07 and it was a big disappointment with quality issues. I am now considering a 18. I think after all this time it should have Toyota quality. The 38 gallon tank is just smart. I current own two f 150s. I dread going to the dealer for poor design problems. They all will never admit these issues.

    4. I was disappointed to see Nissan use the same door open lever on the door panel same as the Altima and Sentra. That goes also with the small knobs on the controls. Too where, say the Tundra’s is two and have times bigger lever to open the door. Plus there seem to be more room setting behind the wheel of Tundra than the titan.

        1. Jim, I do noticed that lack of head room in the Tacoma, not really seeing that in the Tundra. Tundra seems pretty normal to me, in terms of head room in a full size truck.

      1. I agree, Titan interior door handles do feel a bit on the cheap side or flimsy might be a better word for it.

        I would agree also that the Tundra does have more interior space, price and odd option/trim level strategy is the big reason I don’t have more Tundra’s. If Tundra would ale cart more options and allow trucks to be configured the way I want them without forcing me way the latter in trim level and cost I am sure I would buy more Tundra’s.

        From a quality standpoint, just in terms of what I can see and feel, I would say the Tundra is a higher quality truck then the Titan. However not as much as Toyota seems to think it is by the way they price the Tundra.

        If your looking to buy in that mid range sweet spot, like a 4×4 SR5-SR5+ trim with the 5.7L. When comparing that truck apples to apples with other trucks it’s not all that over priced. Toyota is somewhat competitive.
        But looking that their SR bases trim trucks they are really way off base. I am talking actual transaction pricing, not strictly MSRP pricing. The gap is in the $5000-7000 range what I can buy other brands for.

    5. Just as an FYI, Ford did not offer a 5.0L V8 in 2009 as this review states. That began in 2011. The 2009-2010 F-150 trucks had the same exterior styling and transmission as the 2011-2014 F-150’s, but they would have used either a 4.6L or 5.4L V8.

      Fleet buying has many aspects to consider. Lowest cost is certainly one of the big ones, but what the trucks will actually be used for is another. The welding supplier that services our shop uses half-ton trucks pulling tandem-axle 8k trailers to carry their stuff. They were using Econoline vans but then decided to try the Dodge Sprinters with the small diesel. These vans had many problems, especially with the rear ends. They switched to Ford EcoBoost F-150’s and love them. Great pulling power and good lifespan of the vehicle (200k miles is the trade-in point). Yes, fuel economy suffers, but it is nice to have power.

      In any event, good luck with the Nissans. I would think resale value might be less, but I could be wrong.

      1. Troverman, actually the 2009 and 2010 F150 transmissions are different than the 2011 and up. They carry the same name 6R80 but the early versions were the ZF trans under licensing and the newer version is all Ford. Some of the big differences were the use of a separate TCM in the new ones over a mechatronic valve body that has the TCM built in. Ford added a low one way clutch to get rid of the famous 3-1 2-1 bump when stopping. They also changed the center support, clutches and other various pieces. Basically design out some of the weakness’s of the ZF. Which the ZF was a robust transmission. Just not the smoothest shifting. I have 125K on my 5.4L with the ZF and I don’t have any issues with it.

        I almost forgot, the ZF version was famous for the connector sleeve in the trans to leak. A cheap fix but a pain for the owner none the less.

    6. I would have kept the Rams or upgraded to new Rams. If it works don’t fix it. My Ram 5.7L Tradesman gets over 20 mpg on the freeway (flat terrain near sea level).

      1. I did buy 1 Ram this year, a single wheel cab and chassis 3500. We have a custom 9ft flat bed with some trick fold down sides and power gate on it.
        It came off an 07 classic Chevy 2500 cab and chassis.
        I really liked that particular bed design and I have a store that only has the one truck, and I have that truck configured so that it can pretty much handle anything that small store could need it to deliver.

        The Ram I bought this year worked out great for that application.

        As for the other 1500s, it was a tough choice Ram vs the Titan. It was the fact the Titan was about 1500.00 less cost, and the substantial difference in the warranty, that pushed me over to the Titan over more Ram 1500’s. Will see how the next year or so goes with these Titan’s. If problems start surfacing down the line where down time becomes an issue, I may swing back over to Ram.

        Or if the spy shots of the 2019 GM 1500 comes to revieal what I think I am seeing in the test mules which is substantial improvement in regular cab space in particular space behind the seat. I will be looking at the 2019 GM twins again next time around.

        Or if Ford desides to pass along the reinforced bed from the F250+ down to the F150 so I can put lifts on them again, then Ford will be back in the mix.

        Tundra dropped their regular cab truck all together for 2018. Double cabs and crew cabs only for Toyota.
        But for the pricing Toyota had on their regular cabs, I would have guessed they were trying to kill it off. You could buy extended cabs for about the same money as the Tundra regular cab. It was really a great truck but just always way over priced by comparison. When I say way over priced, am talking over 5000.00 more then any other brand optioned as close to apples to apples as you could get them.

        1. Fleetguy, great review: lots of information and given in a refreshingly non biased way. I do have a question though. What exactly are you delivering with these trucks? I find it interesting that you need power tailgates, but only use 1/2 ton trucks with no sides boards or racks! Good luck with your business and thanks for the write-up.

          1. HVAC equip.
            We only distribute product. No need for tool boxes since we are not directly involved in the public sale or installation of the products.

            An AC unit can weigh 200-400 pounds. Furnaces 100-200 pounds, coils 50-100 pounds. The product is just too heavy for our employees to safely unload by themselves.
            Our products are heavy yet also very bulky.

            Bulky enough that in a pickup like the 8ft bed regular cabs you can’t get more then 1-2 complete systems in it at time. The crew cabs are only good for one system at a time and are primarily used by sales personnel.

            So I don’t really need the weight capacity of a 3/4 ton truck, yet the products are heavy enough to require lift gates.

            We also have drop in liners in all the trucks, because a 200-400 pound cardboard box does not slide well on spray in liners or bare painted beds. The liners are really just to purposely aid the driver in loading and unloading product more so then protecting the beds. Because a drop in liner makes it much easier to slide the products into and out of the beds.

            We do have racks on just about all of them, primary function is protecting the back of the cabs, providing multiple heavy duty tie down points, as well as make for safe hand holds points for getting operators in and out of the bed to load and unload the product.

    7. Nice review!!! Seemed unbiased. Interesting your calculations on how long to keep a vehicle. I have a small fleet, 6 trucks, and keep the gas motors to 250k, but ditch the diesels before 100k when the warranty is up.

      1. Thanks Scott.
        It’s all about timiming for optimal residual value vs mileage vs risk potential for costly repairs. If I can stay in my 10-12 cent mileage dreprection target and avoid risk of costly repairs and down time, that’s where I like to be.

    8. If rumors are true, FCA is working on exactly what you’ve requested…something between 3.5 and 4.5 I6 diesel to replace the 3.0 I4 in Ram Promaster and 3.0 Ecodiesel.

    9. You were already told why the warranty is a gimmick. Because it is for 5 years. If you are going to go up to 100K miles, then do it for 10 years. 10 years/100K miles, which ever comes first, and then you will have something. Otherwise, it’s mainly an empty promise because most people are confined to 12-15K miles per year anyway. On a lease, you are typically penalized for excessive mileage and even with a straight buy, you won’t hit 100k on a fleet pickup in 5 years and you will pay more for excessive mileage under your insurance carrier. We don’t fall for this gimmick for such little return. While most like to use a warranty as an attempt to avoid doing research or honest assessment to hedge their bet, and feel better/secure they are a poor substitute for research and studying trends. And by the way, good luck taking Nissan to court over a warranty. That’s a joke. Sorry you need to defend the Nissan truck line.

      1. Fleet buyer

        You didn’t really explain that before. Not that it really makes a lot of sense now.

        It really seems your mixing up a lot of separate variables and making assumtions that really are are not true. Warranty terms and leasing pro and cons are two totally separate things, and some business do actually drive their vehicles more then 12k a year.

        One the trucks I traded was a 2015 with 108k miles on. That’s a 2 year old truck with over 100k miles on it. I traded several 2014 trucks this year with 85k-110k miles. Basically on all those trucks they were out of their factory warranty 3yr/36k warranty in less then a year. Basically some of us fleet owners do operate their trucks more then the national average of 12k miles a year.

        So as actual fleet owner. I for one totally disagree with your assessment.

        There are several reasons we don’t lease our fleet.
        High mileage is just one of many reason why leasing our fleet vehicles really would not make sense,
        all the typicall upfitting we do doesn’t fit well with typical auto leases terms.
        Also with leasing, your generally paying a high money factor especially on a business lease, plus if I can buy the trucks right upfront, with our top tier fleet incentives , the trucks actual residual values will out perform about any leasing companies forecasted lease residual values, making leasing more of a gimmick in my opinion. Basically your just paying high interest rates on the money , all to get a guaranteed residual value that’s almost always less then actual residual values.

        Now in some cases there might be a tax advantage to leasing which that tends to vary state to state.

        Bottom line, I don’t work for Nissan, nor am I defending nissan. Brand is of 0 importance to me.

        As for the warranty.
        Maybe in lower anual mileage applications it would not really make much difference to some people.

        But no matter how you stack it, your either getting an extra 2 years of bumper to bumper coverage or 64,000 extra miles of coverage. Even If you drive the national average 12k miles per year then your getting an extra 2 years and 24k miles of warranty with a Titan over any other full size truck on the market.

        That said warranty is not everything, but it is not a gimmick. Maybe buying an extended warranty for a couple extra grand, that in some ways could be seen as a gimmick or others might see it for what it is a insurance policy. That’s for them to decide.

        Since the nissan warranty comes standard, and the trucks cost the same or substantially less then all competitors comparing like model and options, all with 3yr/36k bumper to bumper warranties. Your gimmick comment just makes 0 sense to me.

        Personally I hope these trucks never need the warranty, that’s yet to be seen. Either way I am not going to assume any manufacture is going to try and get out of honoring their warranty terms.

        Nor am I buying a product with expectations of having to take them to court.

        So far I have been at this for over 25 years and so far I have never needed to take any manufacture to court ever.
        Most manufactures want and need your repeat business. Heck I have typically gotten things covered that were technically out of warranty. I have Never had to fight with a dealer over something that was inside the factory warranty terms,

      2. @Fleet Buyer: The 5yr 100k warranty is a gimmick for a fleet owner? Really? If anyone is going to rack up the mileage on truck, it’s a business owner.

        Second, you think research is better than a warranty? How can you research things that haven’t occurred yet? For example, starting in ’10, the cam tower leak developed for Tundra’s. Not all, but it was a problem to watch out for–happened to me and others, there’s a lengthy thread on Tundra Talk. This problem occurred after four years into production.

        Also, you’re implying that by doing enough research, one can find a truck that doesn’t have problems. The reality is, all trucks have their problems. Has your research proved otherwise? If so, share it with us and prove us wrong.

    10. Can we get a review on the double cab long bed Tundra’s too?

      It’d also be nice to see a breakdown or a graph on which trucks (averaged by brand) cost the most to maintain and operate.

    11. Also the comment on why the fleet buyer picked the two Tundra’s is very helpful, I liked how he justified his purchases based on real reasons. If I was a business owner that was using the bed every day, I’d want a extended cab, 8′ steel bed also.

    12. I do plan to write reviews like this for all brands, just a matter of finding the time needed to do it.

      I do have all 5 full size truck manufactures represented in my current fleet.
      GM, Ford, RAM, Nissan, and Toyota.

      The primary reason for Tundra’s was that the only other choice besides the Tundra currently on the market for in a 1/2 ton truck that can be configured with an extended cab and an 8ft bed is the F150.

      Nissan dropped their extended cab long bed after the 2015 model year, GM’s last truck offered in that configuration was on the old GMT900 platform which came to an end in 2013 model year, Ram’s last offering dropped out after their 2008 model year.

      Since the F150 aluminum bed has an up fitting restriction preventing us from putting anything larger then 1/4 in hole the aluminum bed, which that particular limitation alone would prevent us from installing our power lift gates onto an F150, which in effect took Ford off the table for this application and all our truck applications where 1/2 ton 8ft bed trucks are required. Since all our 8ft bed trucks have power lift gates on them.

      Note: Ford does however specifically state that with their new Super duty F250+ aluminum bed’s, that Super duty truck beds are special reinforced just for such applications as power lift gates and salt spreaders etc. I just don’t need or want to the pay the premium for or feed a HD truck, when a 1/2 ton fits my application need just fine.

      So this was a simple process of elimination of what company offered a truck that would fit our exact criteria. 1/2 ton extended cab with an 8ft steel bed. Making Tundra the only truck left on the market that met our needs.

      On a side note, the Tundra also had the best turning radius by far when compared to the alternative choices had I wanted to jump up to the 2500 HD/Super duty class trucks. I did cross shop/research this only other possible alternative to the Tundra.

      The Tundra 8ft bed is also actually 8’1″, not a big deal at all but combined with our new Tommy gates we have now have about 8’7″ of functional bed length with the tailgate up.

      This all basically forced me to finally spend the extra money and try a Tundra. I am glad I did, Tundra is a very well made, high quality truck.
      I was impressed with the quality feel of everything, It has lots of well thought out features. I was impressed enough with that first Tundra, that I bought one for myself to drive. See last comments in the Pro4x con’s section of this article for more details on the one I bought for myself, and why chose it over the Titan.

    13. If a 5yr 100,000 mile warranty is a gimmick? What does that make a 3yr 36,000 warranty? Even by that twisted logic you end up buying the Titan.

    14. Nice review.

      But if a truck is gonna have this tough image, why only a maybe 1300 pound payload for the crewcab 4×4 5.6?

      Wouldn’t they have learned from the Ram crewcab low payload, with a v-8?

      Besides that, the front end looks horrendous, wasn’t it rumored a new grill may be designed? I know that a driver doesn’t have to look at the grill when driving it, and can maybe worry about other things instead.

      Seems like in the ones that have the bench seat that you have Just a little bit more space for a middle passenger, I like that.

      I’m actually liking what they’re saying about the power train, the engine, 7 speed trans, and the brakes.

      I really wish the Nissan Frontier would get more competitive with the Chevy Colorado. As it is, the Colorado has a good deal more power, better payload by 150-200 pounds, better mileage, (even if you remove the air dam!)

    15. Interesting review fleetguy. Thxs.
      Learning that F-150 doesn’t except lift gates on the aluminum bed is something I didn’t know. It is like you can’t mount a snow plow on both eb engines.

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