• 2017 Toyota Electric Truck: 670 Horsepower, 200 Miles of Range, and 80,000 Lbs Capacity


    2017 toyota project portal fuel cell electric semi truck test
    2017 Toyota Electric Truck (Project Portal) 

    Toyota is ready to begin testing of the 2017 fuel-cell electric semi truck at the Port of Los Angeles (Port of Long Beach). The semi truck that is called Project Portal will be running short distance cargo shipment at the port.

    The truck is powered by two Toyota Mirai fuel-cell stacks to produce 670 horsepower and 1,325 lb-ft of torque of electric power. The fuel-cell system is fueled by hydrogen where it’s combined with oxygen t0 produce energy for the electric motor(s) and water as a byproduct. Project Portal has a gross combined weight rating of 80,000 lbs, which is standard for class 8 trucks. Toyota says that the truck has a range of “more than 200 miles per fill”.

    The real-world port testing is scheduled to start on October 23, 2017. At this time, this is a feasibility study.

    Here is a look at the Toyota Mirai fuel-cell electric vehicle.


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    82 thoughts on “2017 Toyota Electric Truck: 670 Horsepower, 200 Miles of Range, and 80,000 Lbs Capacity

    1. 200 miles empty? How many miles loaded?

      We can reason that moving a 15000lb empty truck and trailer is about 1/6th as difficult as moving 80,000 lbs. We can therefore infer that it would be capable of tugging a full load about 35 miles uphill before needing to replenish fuel cells.

      1. Huh? It says right on the page,

        “the truck has a range of ‘more than 200 miles per fill’.”

        That means the 80,000 lbs is pulled 200 miles.

        Sounds like you are past YOUR fill of meds.

        1. Alt Mike – – –

          TFLT: “Project Portal has a gross combined weight rating of 80,000 lbs, which is standard for class 8 trucks. Toyota says that the truck has a range of “more than 200 miles per fill”.”

          To me, this still means a 200 range per fill of H2; it is not radiately clear that it means a 200-mile range of fill per 80,000 load. And does that 200-mile range mean wind-free, flat-travel, or real world conditions? Sea-level or Rocky Mountains? Winter (-10 deg F) or summer (100-deg F)?

          Something is wrong here. Why would an H2 fuel-cell vehicle have ONLY a 200-mile range, when some experimental pure BEV semi’s (e.g., Volvo; Tesla) are projected to have a 250-mile range?

          If it’s truly H2FC, one would think that it should have at least a 500-mile range to be somewhat competitive with diesel semi’s, which have a ~750-mile range**. I mean, there is plenty of space for LARGE H2 tanks in the utility area behind an extended cab, — and alongside, where conventional diesel tanks would otherwise go….

          AM: “Sounds like you are past YOUR fill of meds.”
          Is this comment really necessary? Sorry, but please leave these sort of derogatory responses to PUTC or other websites…

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          ** “They go as far as they’re required to….. if u are talking about range between fill ups it varies. average over the road trucks get 5 to 7 mpg and usually have dual 100 gallon fuel tanks, although some trucks have dual 120 gal. or 150 gal. tanks. Trucks can only use about 90% of the fuel in the tanks before sloshing lets the pickup get air so on average 180 gal. at 6mpg would get a truck 1080 miles between fill ups”
          Ref: http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_driving_range_for_diesel_semi_tractor-trailer_trucks
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          1. You too? Its like Twilight Zone around here. Its obvious in the text that they are talking about 200 miles per 80,000 load. And any child can google the subject if yo have any question about it. But you all are grown men.

            Would I be a good father if I didn’t warn my children they have to learn how to read before they take the GRE?

            Someone needs to raise a mirror up to the face of serious lapses of thinking.

            I don’t know if it has to to with alcohol, or what. But There are several people that frequent this site that obviously have a difficult time thinking straight. Well, O.K. a gentle nudge in the right direction is what a friend would do.

            But then these same people endeavor to blame their problem on us who can think straight. Then, they stray into the realm of sickness that can be called evil. It is appropriate to be very stern with that.

            Get it? I sincerely hope you have a good and beneficial day.

            1. I seriously hope you are not a father and after a douchebag comment like that REALLY hope you are unable to procreate at all.
              I took the article as 200miles per 80,000 load but it does not clarify at all unser wjat conditions

            2. And yes, my children know how to think straight and do so for themselves. They don’t need me. Probably because they were wise enough to stay away from drugs and alcohol etc.
              So you might ask yourself, why do you, as an older adult need someone to set you straight?

              My goodness, if you can’t read correctly and have a minor question about a detail, just research it a bit on the net and find out yourselves, rather than assert that I am wrong when I am right.

          2. Bernie

            200 miles of use at a port transferring cargo from the crane to a transfer parking area is probably more than a shifts requiements.

            I doubt the photo is a accurate rendering of the actual port semi.

          3. Who cares if its 200 miles in the rocky mountains or whatever else. This type of truck is being used in the inner city like LA, it doesnt need to climb mountains or drive 1000 miles a day. Its probably gunna be sitting in gridlock on the freeway anyways.

            1. Buddy and The Real Jay S – – –

              Yeah. I think you’ve both got it right: this thing could certainly be used as a “day cab” for local transport. I was originally thinking of the “over-the-road” (OTR) guys: you know, Chicago to LA.

              And even then, Toyota may simple be testing how the FC’s would hold up for now, and that 200 miles may not at all be the final range that they could provide.

              Don’t get me wrong: I do like H2FC’s, and believe this technology should have a fair chance in the market place. But to replace diesel, it will eventually have to be competitive for OTR applications as well (^_^)…

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      2. I like the idea, but as in your statement I am not sure it’s feasible unless used for short in town trips with small delivery trucks or cross town shipping? Maybe one day….

          1. alt mike it only say truck has 80k capacity here and says truck, not truck and loaded trailer. Lack of information in write up.

        1. No such thing, it’s over simplifying but makes the point that the loaded range could be that low. Naturally on flat ground it doesn’t take quite so much to keep 80,000 rolling once you get it to speed

          1. Why does everyone assume that its going to be used for long haul trucking through the rockies? All they have to do is replace the trucks in the inner cities and it will make a big difference.

            Last time I went to LA(which is almost once a month) its pretty much stop and go on most of the freeways all day long. Takes an hour to drive 20 miles.

            1. Probably because that is what most big trucks do. Your right though, for local delivery, this thing could make a big improvement-depending on where it gets its hydrogen from.

    2. Where does all the water this produces go! Is it captured in a holding tank of some kind to be unloaded later or does all that water just dump out on the road. If it’s the latter, I can see the accident lawyer’s already “licking their chops”. Maybe this is why Toyota is doing this in Los Angeles where their are almost never below freezing temperatures (ice).

      1. Is there an imogi for shaking my head over in amazement over the unbelievable stupidity manifested by humans who frequent pickup truck comment sections?

        That would save me a lot of time.

        1. Alt Mike – – –

          AM: “Is there an imogi for shaking my head over in amazement over the unbelievable stupidity manifested by humans who frequent pickup truck comment sections?”

          B: Is there an emoji (spelled correctly) for humans who can only inflate their own egos by denigrating others on websites?
          If this is all you can contribute, suggest you go elsewhere. Would want to waster your time…

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            1. No no, you had it right. Waster is the kind of terminology Hal is used to using in daily conversation anyway… 😀

            2. How is it a waster when I am the only one instructing you to build yourselves up to the point that you will be able to read–I mean actually read.

              It is clear in the article that they are talking about 80,000 for 200 miles. As I have said many times, you can find out yourselves, you are not children. Just google it. Set yourselves free! For goodness sakes.

              You are like horses that run into a barbed wire fence and get tangled up in it and call out for help but then kick me when I go to cut the fence out of you.

              Can you understand that?

        2. So would shutting your mouth! Is it so hard for you to realize it’s not “many of us”, it’s “you”. By the way Bernie, I really liked your response.

            1. And by the way, its not just me that has expressed this sentiment if you haven’t noticed. And many have come and gone after seeing the level of intelligence revealed in the comments here.

              We have many other automotive engineering and other engineering forums that are by invitation only and have a controlled, registered membership. And they talk about you behind their backs and giggle a bit (not too much) about the level of intelligence written here.

              But I persist in trying to help. It has made a bit of a difference with those that don’t just throw fits of anger and don’t want to look inward.

            2. Ahhh another engineer… lmfao. You know its kinda funny how every shit talker that starts posting on here claims to be one. That’s part of the problem with this country these days, is too many people who think they’re smarter than everyone else. When you take reality into equation they make be vook smart just common sense stupid.
              In this instance I think Alt Mike needs to put down the video games, and move out of moms basement and find a job other than flipping burgers at McDonald’s so he can learn some social skills

            3. Oh Hal, we know about your private engineering forums. The reason none of us have asked to join is because we can’t stand the other members. You know which ones I’m talking about, Rambor’s Bor and John T and Alt Mike and Sean and a half dozen other guys…

            4. Ha! I bet you haven’t even taken an engineering class at a major recognized university.

              and no, I’ve never even played a video game. Unless that old pacman at the pizza place when I was a kid counts. Ha, ha.

              Bet you have played much more video games than that!

            5. Alt Mike-its guys like you that the engineers laugh at. Taking something trivial and making a mock of everyone else while revealing your own ignorance.
              That’s not true, most engineers would ignore stupid comments and focus on real things. They don’t spend much time making fun of others-they leave that for guys like you.

            6. I might add that any engineer who would spend much time mocking others probably is not a very good one. Most people who waste their time doing so are trying to compensate for their own weakness-makes them feel smarter than they are when they point out others mistakes.
              If you have to tell others that you are smart, you probably are not.

      1. Yes, Nickola has plans for a nationwide system for its gcweight truck due in 2019/2020. 1500 dollars a month lease will also get you 1 million miles of free hydrogen.

        California is also rolling out it’s system.

        And although building from scratch a hydrogen station can cost million. That’s mainly property costs. Converting existing gasoline stations to also supply hydrogen can cost a low as 70 grand.

        I’m sure the 200 mile range is only because that is all that’s needed in a port situation.

        The Nickola semi has over a 1000 mile range.

    3. So, if you stuck half of that powertrain into a Tacoma or Tundra, would you have 335hp, 662ft-lbs torque and 400-mile range? That might get some people interested.

      Unfortunately, you’d have to double all of those numbers to get the majority of truck buyers interested.

      1. Yeeeeeeeees, but you would have to have a 20,000 lb load to do so. Pretty comparable to a one ton.

        And they do say there are two stacked cells on this truck. So, one of them might work.

        However, the size may very well be prohibitive. Who knows right now. Maybe you could google it and get a schematic on the size of the fuel cells.

    4. ** Serious question **

      The article states this tractor is powered by two Mirai fuel stacks. Each fuel stack is rated at a max output of 153 hp. Using simple math, two stacks could provide 306 hp.

      The Mirai is rated at a 300 mile range pushing a 4500 lb car, two stacks could theoretically push it 600 miles.

      Now time for more math…

      80,000 lbs is 1,800% more weight than 4500 lbs. Therefore, a 600 mile range at 4,500 lbs would be a 34 mile range at 80,000 lbs.

      Clearly the math doesn’t add up. If they were actually running FOUR fuel stacks, they could get theoretical 612 hp which isn’t far from the 670 hp advertisement.

      Four fuel stacks could also provide 68 miles of fully loaded range, which would also equal over 200 miles of empty range, which would be comparable to the advertisement.

      ***

      So, are the specs wrong (four stacks instead of two)? Or is the marketing dept blowing smoke at everyone?

        1. I’m sure you haven’t reached the level of math I have. It is not worth doing math on this site with people who already have difficulty with the presuppositions. You have to have a foundation of truth before you can build the math.

          1. O.K., so you want me to treat you like a child and do the work for you. Your math is way off and your presuppositions are way off.

            “The Mirai is an four-door car, though, with a maximum weight of two tons. The proof of concept vehicle needs to haul 80,000 pounds, the combined gross vehicle weight of a big rig. So how many times do you have to scale the Mirai system to create that kind of power? Twice, according to Tak Yakoo, a senior executive engineer at Toyota.

            “A semi is 36 tons, 18 times the size of a Mirai,” Yakoo said in a phone interview. “But we only use twice as much fuel cell and a relatively small battery.” The battery modules are flexible, so you can add more for a huge truck or fewer for a little passenger car or SUV. The scalability of the Mirai system is the point of the exercise, Yakoo said.

            “Cars have so many different sizes of engines — 1.4L, 2.0L, 3.5L, etc.,” Yakoo said. “This is one standard fuel cell system with only a change of battery module size. That’s the dramatic change.” The system in the vehicle shown today at the Port of Los Angeles creates 670 hp and 1,325 lb-ft of torque, enough to move a full tractor-trailer and keep it moving down the highway.

            For this concept, the engineers simply removed the components related to the diesel drive train and replaced them with the hydrogen fuel cell system. Taking out the diesel engine “leaves a huge space,” Yakoo said with a laugh. “Using that, we brought in the power electric controlling system, the fuel cells, the electric motor, and the fuel tank.” The tank did have to be fitted behind the cab for this demonstration vehicle.”

            Here, just a little spoon feeding for you, who are not engineers, but not even people who can search the web.

            Its a free country. Take advantage of it.

      1. let me clarify a little- the Fuel cell and Batteries together push enough power to get 670hp out of the motor.
        Battery + 2x Fuel stacks = 500kW (670hp)
        the fuel stacks are good for little over 150hp each or 115kW. That means the battery is good to deliver at least 270kW of the total.
        the range of Project Portal has nothing to do with the power or how much bigger it is than the Mirai or a Tundra. Has everything to do with how much H2 gas is carried on the truck- that’s in the “sleeper” part of the cab BTW. Chrysler recently ordered a fleet of Paccar trucks with CNG engines for their inter-plant operations. Even though its a day-cab application, they have the sleeper back there to store the gas.

        1. You are correct sir. I didn’t consider that they could run larger hydrogen tanks(s). And the electric battery makes sense as to how they are getting the extra power, it also explains why they have the limited range, you can refuel the hydrogen tank but you can’t supercharge the battery in the same time frame.

          1. The battery is relatively small- it can run the truck on its own but is mainly there for transient power delivery. The fuel cells run steadily (at whatever output the controller determines is appropriate) while electricity flows to the battery or motor as needed.

          2. Now he admits he was wrong, but no personal apology. But that’s a start. And he also did a bit of research for himself. Progress.

      2. The fuel stacks are referring to the fuel cell are they not? More akin to an engine, so it really has nothing to do with range.
        The fuel used by a semi truck is much less than most any car for the weight moved-it does not scale linearly. It is not uncommon for a 80,000 lb semi to get 6 MPG. Scale that to a 4000 lb car and you would be getting 120 MPG.

      1. Agreed, yet they want to call us trolls rather than address the question at hand.

        Daniel, exactly. You are a very good example of error.

        Instead of basing your reality on truth, you base it on agreement of a few light-weights on a truck site.

        How did you say it? It was so perfect.

        “Us ‘old guys’ rely on other people to agree with us. ”

        Yes, yes yes. Exactly. It is the group think mentality. The Lemming mentality that guides so much stupidity. Although vested interest does a lot of it too(there are several paid shills here).

        And a sick need to be accepted by someone–anyone. Even weirdos on a web page.

        And that is why many of you cannot accept truth. Not always. Sometimes you just lack the ability. But many times.

        When you have little close relationships in family and community, you look to this site. Come on, guys. Its O.K. to have some outlet. But don’t let it sway your ability to see truth.

        And try not to affect our truck suppliers from making good tools to support our families and communities. We have a long way to go to achieve a secure electrical grid, communication platform, transportation system etc., which is what the automotive industry is converging to become altogether.

        And please stop asserting that I and others are right, when you know I am right. And then not apologizing when I prove it.

        It is clear it is 80,000 lbs and not just the truck.

    5. Really should start by making a diesel electric hybrid with battery storage and electromagnet braking (giant Prius). Locomotives have been doing this for decades. I like the idea of electric motor driving each wheel.

        1. Hey Tom, can you confirm that you are not me? Ha. I am told I am the only one in the world that knows this is the best way to do it. Zing!

            1. I have an idea Engineer Hal – Why don’t you start manufacturing diesel electric pickup trucks with 6000 lb payloads on hydropnuematic shocks. You could make a fortune, people would no longer have to cry for better products, and you just might single handily reverse global warming!

    6. “October 13, 2017 at 6:52 am
      And by the way, its not just me that has expressed this sentiment if you haven’t noticed. ”

      😀 😀 😀 You use so many different names not even YOU can keep track of them! You actually think other individuals agree with you! 😀

      1. Daniel
        Agreed. I wonder if he puts on a different hat or maybe a different hand puppet depending on who is at the time. And did you notice, that while he has many, many names; he only has one nasty, arrogant personality.

        1. @Dan Bush, excellent points as usual. I’m so tired of all the alt names on here. Someone is really fond of themself. What a novel idea, they can make comments under several different screen names…..

            1. No, my life is great. Truly unbelievable. Best of luck to you in working through your identity crisis.

    7. What bothers me,is that empty roof on the container. It should be full of solar panels. It’s
      not to much, but enough to run an air-conditioning and many thing else.
      It’s at least 7.2kWh of energy missing on direct sunlight. Wow. What a waste.
      One household needs at least and no one cares.

      1. Mr Zviera,I agree with you ,one can definitely install some solar panels on the trailer..This Toyota technology is just another showing of what the future is going to look like.imo👍

        1. Zviera and AM – – –

          Yeah. Once you start treating the trailer as mated to the truck (as a non-interchangeable pair), several more options open up, including the use of solar panels on top (as you mentioned), but also including a HUGE H2 container in the trailer.

          Yes, the latter would currently reduce load space, since, in the USA, the tractor/tailer combination is length limited to 65 feet:

          “B-train combinations are subject to the same length limits (65 feet) as truck tractor-semitrailer-trailer combinations. When no semitrailer is attached to the B-train hitch, the assembly is included in the length measurement of the first semitrailer, and the 14.63 m (48-foot), or grandfathered, length applies.
          Federal Size Regulations for Commercial Motor Vehicles – FHWA”

          https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/size_regs_final_rpt/

          But the range could then be comparable to that of a diesel semi. And perhaps DOT length regs could be changed to make an exception of H2FC trucks, and allow, say, 70 feet of overall length to accommodate the added H2 pressure vessel (beyond the one already furnished in the utility/”sleeper” area).

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          1. Until someone trys to lift a bridge with a trailer then the cost of the trailer will double or triple to repair. If repairable.

    8. According to Nickola their fuel cell semi meets or exceeds all current semi requirements. Plus they will give you 1 million miles of free hydrogen with a $1500/month lease.

      We will soon see if this is all true, they are taking $1500 deposits now at expect to release the truck in 2019 or 2020.

      I would think they have forced other manufacturers like Toyota and Tesla to come forward with their semi truck plans.

      Please read:

      https://nikolamotor.com/one

    9. I just went to my utility’s, Pacific gas and electric, website. They have a calculator to compare Mileage costs for gas vs electric.

      They use $4.25/gallon as their gas price and 40 miles per day as their base.
      The Chevy Volt would still cost more per month than a similar gas vehicle in the summer and about the same in the winter.

      The only way electricity could match gas is if you installed a second electric vehicle time of use meter. That’s about 8 grand. And that would be charging after 11pm.

      And remember they are using $4.25/gallon for gasoline.

      That seems to be a lot of inconvenence just to lose money.

      1. That’s the current problem with electric vehicles-and really anything other than an ICE. Just to expensive and inconvenient in comparison.

      1. That link is inaccurate.
        Hydrogen can not be produced from water at that cost. Natural gas, maybe but not water. Gasoline contains about 33 kWh of energy.
        Hydrogen produced from water is typically done so using electricity.
        Electricity generally costs around $0.11/kWh.
        It will take significantly more the 33 kWh’s of electricity to produce 33 kWh’s equivalent of hydrogen.
        33 KwH’s of electricity costs $3.63.
        That cost does not include the inefficiency involved in electrolysis, power to compress the hydrogen, fuel taxes, pure water or infrastructure to produce, compress, transport and store the hydrogen. These costs could easily double the price.

      1. Most power does not cost anything near $0.03. It costs you more than that to produce it. Sure, some off-peak power can be used but hydrogen generating equipment will be run 24/7 to recoup the equipment costs.
        No electricity is actually produced for $0.03, it’s just being paid for by someone else. Not sustainable for a hydrogen economy capable of supporting a significant number of vehicles.

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