• 2018 Ford F150 Diesel 3.0L “Lion” V6 Weight / Towing Specifications Printed in the Owner’s Manual


    2018 ford f150 diesel lion v6 gcwr towing rear axle ratio
    2018 Ford F150 Diesel : 3.0L Lion V6

    Ford has printed the owner’s manual for the 2018 Ford F150 with the 3.0L Lion V6 diesel weight and axle ratio specifications. The new 2018 F150 trucks are starting to arrive at dealerships across the country and to many new owners. Two pieces of information immediately jump out: the Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) and rear axle ratio options.

    Ford says the turbo-diesel F150 will not be available for sale until the Spring of 2018, and official power output and other specifications have not been available until now.

    According to the owner’s manual the F-150 Diesel will be offered with 3.31 and 3.55 rear axle ratios and two GCWR versions: 16,000 lbs and 17,100 lbs. The highest rating of 17,100 lbs combined weight of truck and trailer points to a max towing rating of around 12,000 lbs. This is an approximation based on the Crew Cab 4×4 configuration. The final rating could be a few hundred pounds more or less.

    2018 ford f150 diesel exhaust fluid def
    2018 Ford F150 : diesel exhaust fluid

    The owner’s manual has 259 references to the “diesel”, including the instructions on filling up with Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) and the filler point that is located inside the fuel-filler door.

    The following Ford F150 GCWR weight specification has been released by the F150 Forum.


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    131 thoughts on “2018 Ford F150 Diesel 3.0L “Lion” V6 Weight / Towing Specifications Printed in the Owner’s Manual

      1. Buckwheat – – –

        BU: “No longbed for the diesel, only 5.5 or 6.5′ beds. No 36 gallon fuel tank either.”

        That absurd! What are they thinking? Is this a truck designed to do actual work (like haul covered plywood sheets), and travel long distances, or not?

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        1. The Ram Ecodiesel doesnt do the large tank either. I always thought it was because the ram already had a really low payload so they couldnt afford the extra fuel weight, so I am dissapointed to see for skip it as well.

        2. DEF tank is exactly right- it occupies the extra space needed for the bigger tank.
          No Extended cab- 8ft bed seems like an oversight though.

          1. I’d look at it if it was an xl supercab with an 8 foot bed. I’ll have to plug that into ‘build your own’ on Ford’s website…

          1. Meaning what, the GVWR? I dont think the diesel is going to cause the F150 to be that close to its GVWR, they are 7000/7050 lbs for a crew cab and the current trucks only weigh around 5000 lbs for a 4×4 crew cab. The heaviest F150’s(crew cab, 4×4, King Ranch/Plati) are around 5500lbs.

          2. If we were tLking about an F-159 with a steel body, I would agree with you. BUT, we’re talking about a lightly equipped aluminum F-150. The light body should have given it some additional capacity.

      2. That sucks if there is no 36 gallon fuel tank. They did that with the Ram ED and I get the same total range out of a tank of fuel in my F150 that they do.

        If there is no long bed then that means no regular or supercab I suspect. My argument has been that the only time these small diesels make sense is if you are ordering them in a bare bones work truck. Otherwise, you are paying $50k+ and bragging about it saving a few MPG’s.

          1. I hope so for fords sake. If they release this motor and its getting the same MPG’s as the Ram then they are idiots.

            Right now the 2×4 2.7 Ecoboost is getting 20/26/22 mpg while the Ram ED is getting 20/27/23. Thats nothing. A 36 gallon tank in the F150 2.7 will go MUCH farther.

            1. Load those diesels up and compare a loaded 2.7 gas, and you will see a very big difference in mileage.

            2. It will be about 30%, as you would expect with diesel fuel having 30% more energy. Again, how many folks are driving their trucks around loaded 100% of the time. Or 50%. Or 25%. Most people probably dont even do 10%. I can tell you for sure that the loaded Ram Ecodiesel Limited’s I see driving around here very rarely have anything in the bed or on the hitch.

              You may, but most of the rest of the world has moved on from trucks with vinyl floors and bench seats that are only used for truck things.

            3. Even if it was 30% on fuel savings all the time, its a drop in the bucket compared to what most people are paying for these modern pickups.

              Again, 30% savings while towing, when most people maybe tow 5% or less of their trucks miles, doesnt mean anything. Not that hard to understand, at least for most people.

            4. Diesel doesn’t have 30% more energy than gas. 1 gallon of diesel has 139000 BTU’s VS 124000 for gas. That about 11%. The fuel savings come from higher compression ratios in Diesel engines and not having a throttle plate restricting inlet airflow. A gas engine is sucked no thru a straw. It takes energy to pull the piston down on the inlet stroke against manifold vacuum. Just like pulling the plunger down on syringe with a small opening.

      3. Good thing those diesels are all going away and have no point to them. They don’t get any better mileage or power anyway. Unless they are made by Ford.

        1. Current F150 crew cab 4×4’s have a base curb weight of 4900 lbs. 2×4’s are 4650. Add a couple hundred lbs for the diesel and you are looking at pretty damn close to a 12000 lb tow capacity if the GCWR is 17100 lbs for the crews.

          sure if you get a maxed out King ranch or Platinum that weights hundreds of lbs more then it wont, but that’s true of any of these trucks.

    1. The model t sounds the best. Lol.

      And none of them sound as good as my 400m.

      From the rear the 400m sounds like a real v8.

      From the front the fan makes it sound like a helicopter. Lol

      1. Im not sure why they are bringing it out. Seems like a waste of time, especially if its true that a regular cab or supercab base model option isnt available.

        That said, the diesel fanatics will continue on and buy them up. They will probably even get in bidding wars when the first few come out an pay over MSRP like the Canyon/Colorado guys.

        1. Well, everyone knows,that ecoboost is not eco at all already, but I have to admit, Ford fooled their customers for pretty long time and it worked for them very well.
          Ford has the best PR department after Apple.

            1. Not anymore. 3.5L is most selling engine.
              Than there is 5L, 2.7 TT and 3.5TT
              I don’t think that 3.5TT makes more than 20%.
              I am just guessing in here, so please, post the right numbers someone.
              Anyhow, HEMI was most selling for RAM. That tells you a lot.

            2. ever play the f150 badge game when your driving? on your commute count how many f150s you see have the ecoboost badge on the door vs no badge (indicating its most likely a 5.0)

            3. I believe ford(or maybe it was TFL) stated that the 2.7 was the highest selling F150 motor at this point. Hard to argue with a motor that only cost $800 over the base v6 yet walks all over most of the V8’s and gets excellent mpg’s in the process.

            4. No, because it doesnt do worse than the 3.5 and plenty of people get exactly the mileage they are supposed to according to the EPA estimates. FYI, its not 1980 when people bought trucks to tow all the time. Now a 1/2 ton is just as much a family hauler as it is a work vehicle, so in most peoples reality, the towing mpg doesn’t make a huge difference, not that its that big.

              Does FCA pay you to troll these websites and try to bring down Ford? You said they pay your paycheck correct? I mean you really have nothing better to do than come on this site and throw up unsubstantiated claims about ecoboost reliability and gas mileage? Its not like you own one or have first hand experience where as some of us do and are extremely happy with these motors.

            5. Actually zombiera, fuelly disagrees with you. Several poster have copied and pasted the fuel economy stats for all trucks and out of all the gas trucks the Ford trucks are at the top.
              We cannot even count the ecodiesel because they need to update the calibration for emissions cheating. So that is going to change.
              Rustydodge
              September 7, 2017 at 7:49 am
              Fuelly data
              Midsized
              16-17 Colorado 2.8 D = 24.10
              12-17 Ranger 2.2 D* = 23.27
              12-17 Ranger 3.2 D* = 21.02
              12-17 Tacoma 2.7 = 20.85
              12-15 Ranger 2.5* = 19.80
              14-17 Colorado 3.6 = 19.47
              16-17 Tacoma 3.5 = 18.90
              12-14,17 Ridgeline 3.5 = 18.75
              12-15 Tacoma 4.0 = 17.48

              1/2 Ton
              18 Ford 3.0 D = ?
              14-16 Ram 3.0 ED = 22.50
              18 Ford 3.3 ?
              15-17 Ford 3.5 = 18.87
              13-17 Ram 3.6 = 18.74
              15-17 Ford 2.7 EB = 18.33
              12-14 Ford 3.7 = 17.50
              12-17 Chevy 4.3 = 16.67
              14-17 Chevy 6.2 = 16.13
              12-14 Tundra 4.0 = 16.07
              12-17 Ford 5.0 = 15.87
              12-17 Chevy 5.3 = 15.83
              12-17 Ford 3.5 EB = 15.78
              12-16 Tundra 4.6 = 15.72
              12-17 Ram 5.7 = 15.18
              12-17 Tundra 5.7 = 14.27
              12-17 Titan 5.6 = 13.32
              17 Titan 5.0 D = ?
              12-14 Ford 6.2 = 12.97

            6. That’s not the whole picture. The fuelly data for 2.7 ecoboost is empty mostly and 3.5 ecoboost is towing more than 2.7 TT.
              The 3.5 TT MPG is impressive compare to 2.7 TT driving empty mostly.
              Please don’t tell me people buy 2.7 TT for towing.

            7. Zviera
              September 18, 2017 at 2:11 pm
              The fuelly disagree with you.
              I have been payed by Citroën.

              In case you forgot you are wrong yet again and THE source for fake news

            8. Jimmy, ford horde advise include you, for ecoboost was, If you tow occasionally light load, buy 2.7 TT. If you tow heavier load more often , buy 3.5 TT.
              Now, the fuelly data reflects that and 2.7 TT MPG from fuelly, driving empty mostly is very bad considering this fact.

            9. When your towing, you will consume more fuel. No one is disclaiming that. But nothing is as thirsty as a “ram with hemi”.

            10. Zviera “I see Tundra,Titan and Ford behind the RAM.” Stop comparing apples to oranges. Dude! Stop comparing apples to oranges. You’re comparing V8 and turbo V6 mpgs to Ram’s small diesel and base V6! Of course they are gonna be behind the Ram! Your reading comprehension is severely lacking!

            11. And he is comparing the fiat diesel stats based on the emissions cheating software in those ecodiesel trucks. We have to wait and see what the emissions compliant stats will be. We already know the 2017 ecodiesel ratings dropped with a compliant emissions system. Well, we believe it is compliant now.

            12. Well Tundra 5.7 is behind HEMI.
              Isn’t it ?
              Doesn’t matter. You’ll be on third ecoboost, when I will still enjoy my HEMI.

            13. Zviera
              September 19, 2017 at 5:25 pm
              Well Tundra 5.7 is behind HEMI.
              Isn’t it ?
              Doesn’t matter. You’ll be on third ecoboost, when I will still enjoy my HEMI.

              Just remember this, sure the Tundra is behind in fuel economy but it is world’s ahead I reliably. In fact Toyota is first, Ford and Chevy tie for second and ram is way back their in everyone’s dust. Remember zombiera, whatever you do, I can do better.

          1. The 2016 3.5 EB my buddy ows certainly struggles to live up to the hype. My buddy consistently had lower MPG’s than the window sticker claimed. It fast but so is my nephew’ 6.2 Sierra. Their fuel economy is about the same.

    2. The last time I saw a manufacturer offer this many engine options for a truck was as a small child in the 1970s and that manufacturer was Ford. Like it or not they offer a tremendous amount of choices if you ar in the market for a fullsize truck and their sales figures reflect that. I like the look of the 2018 much better than the 17 and the 17 looks great. It will be interesting to see what the other manufacturers come up with to compete.

        1. How many engine choices does Ram have for the 1500? It has 3. How many does Ford have? It currently has 4 and it will have 5 next year. That is a lot of engine choices. That is my point. Even then Ram only has 1 viable power option (V8 tyoempower) and that is the Hemi (a great engine, BTW). Ford has 3 with the 2.7, 3.5 and 5.0. I agree Ram has the Ecodiesel and it has been a success and the rest of the manufacturers will be following them in that regard but they need more engine choices. To me Chevy also needs more options as well. Just my opinion.

          1. Well, HEMI is bulletproof engine, something Ford doesn’t have.
            More choice is always better, it just looks, that Ford is throwing out any engine to see, what will stick, finally admitting, they need a diesel as well.
            It would be interesting to see, how many % 3.5 TT takes, everyone in here is bragging about.
            Can someone post the right numbers please ?

            1. I’ve yet to see reliability data that says the Ford engines are not as reliable as the Hemi. If you go by consumer reports then Ram 1500’s have lower reliability ratings than GM or Ford 1/2 tons.

              As far as sales numbers, the best I can find is a Ford press release from 2015 that shows the 2.7 and 3.5 EB’s accounting for “over 60%” of sales. In 2011 it was stated the Ecoboost was 35% of sales, and that was before the 2.7 was out and the first year of production.

              Its hard to compare Hemi sales to Ford sales, since ford offers 3 engines that are arguable competitive with the Hemi, so sure the Hemi probably holds a higher percentage of the total Ram 1500 sales than any single ford motor.

            2. So what the heck is a reason for Ford to come up with diesel. They swear several times, they will not bring a diesel and ecoboost is good enough.

            3. I’ve owned all the big 3 brands, all late model versions. The “HEMI” is not a bulletproof engine. Long term ratings consistently show Ram products at the bottom in reliability.

            4. @Zviera: My guess is probably to out perform ram at the MPG game, possibly to look better in the eyes of the EPA and pay less by upping their MPG average, and to steal back the couple of customers who insist on having a diesel(regardless of brand) and jumped ship to ram.

            5. Why a diesel option? CAFE regulations. Corporate average fuel economy is a growing issue for the big three, especially with car sales cooling off the pas5 few years. Hence why GM is making a diesel Equinox these days.

          2. Moondog, I have to defend GM, they have 7 different trucks imo. Sierra, Silverado, Colorado, Canyon, ZR2 and 2500 and 3500 series. I include the 2500 and 3500 because they are included in the Ford F150 sales which is a lot more difference than what a Colorado is to a 1/2 ton if they include 1 ton trucks in their sales count. This means GM has more engine choices and more truck sizes available and they sell more trucks than Ford. It is more complicated for GM to offer that than it is for Ford to offer 5 engines in an F150.

            1. No, Rambro, jut no. They have 3 for the fullsize half ton. Unless you want to shake out of your seat they have 2 – the 4.3 and 6.2. I’ve had my share of 5.3s and get ready to “shake, rattle, and roll”. By the way, Tacos will have remote starting in 18.

            2. The sierra/silverado and colorado/canyon are just badge swaps with different seats. Hardly different trucks.

            3. Moondog, you’re talking like an idiot if you’re going to claim the 5.3/6.2 have a shake issue. If you’re referring to cylinder deativation, it’s EASILY disabled by shifting into ‘M’ and selecting either 5th gear (6-speed) or 7th gear (8-speed). If you’re referring to “Chevy shake”, it’s vastly over-blown issue created by a desperate editor thT has ignored many other HUGE vehicle defects
              , including the massive number of Ecoboost and Ecodiesek failures. Odd how Stephen Elmore of Autoguide wrote an major article on “Chevy shake”, a relatively rare issue wit 2014+ GM half-tons. The well-known GM-Trucks thread has a mere 11,500 posts despite WELL over 1.5 million half tons sold since 2014. Keep in mind, many members that commented in that thread made several if not dozens of comments in that thread, while never having the ‘shake’ themselves. Many owners commented in the thread that they had no ‘shake’ at all, yet continued to comment out of curiosity or willingness to help the affected owners troubleshoot the issue.If it was a COMMON issue, why haven’t we seen hundreds of thousands of comments in that thread, or even a class action lawsuit similar to the successful lawsuit against Toyota for selling trucks with rust rotting frames?Based on what Ford and Ram owners have reported, when they contacted him about writing an expose about widespread engine failures, he completely ignored people that attempted to contact him about writing an article exposing the massive volume of reports of Ecoboost and Ecodiesel engine failures, not to mention the F-150’s similarly common shudde-on-takeoff issue. Seems like an author with ulterior motives.

            4. Nick, GM bought my 2015 GMC Yukon XL back for excessive vibration. Categorize that however you like but they did. The cylinder deactivation you speak of is not cured by shifting into M on all of it and who wants t be shifting into M all the time anyway? I bought the vehicle for my wife. We prefer using an automatic like an automatic. Google GM vibration issues and you will apparently find a lot of people that you apparently think are idiots out there just like me that had the same issue. You would have to be an idiot to deny its existence or from GM corporate. I would argue they are one in the same. Either way, they gave me a 2016 with more on it for free. Who is the idiot now? By the way, I never said the 6.2 shook and I know what the Chevy shake is – my 2008 Silverado had it.

            1. Dodge has definitely eliminated most of the major reliability issues with the 5.7. It’s similar to the strategy GM has used to refine the 4.3/5.3/6.2 LS-based engines. Both companies use simpler engines, focused on a balance of reliability, efficiency, and power. Ford seems to push out engines that make big power at the expense of complexity, reliability, and real-orld fuel efficiency.

    3. Man I am really impressed! Who would have thought that it would have been the towing champ that it is while all these light duty models seem to be more about fuel efficiency. Whats the Ecodiesel like 8-8.5k? Pretty cool stuff I really can’t wait to see power numbers on this truck.

    4. I just don’t see the appeal of these baby diesels with the cost and complexity that comes with the territory. Slight mpg improvement, but diesel costs more than gas in my area, oil changes, fuel filters, def, etc… Unless Ford has some super secret voodoo tuning up their sleeve, I will stand by my opinion that half ton diesels don’t make dollars or sense.

      1. I am with you. The only way I can see it making sense is if you buy the absolute base model to make the cost of the truck as low as possible and then reap the benefits of the MPG’s. On what planet does it make sense to go and buy a Laramie or Limited for $50k to save a couple mpg/$ per month. If you are that tight on money that you need a diesel, then you probably shouldnt be buying a $50k truck.

        1. I had a 2010 ram with a 5.7 Hemi. It cost me $1200 per month in gas or 21 cents per km. My 2014 and 2016 ecodiesel has cost me $600 per month in diesel or 10 cents per km. It made total sense for me to switch.

          1. I’m guessing diesel is cheaper than gas where you live and/or the hemi got junk mpg. Totally opposite economic situation for me.

            1. Diesel is usually a little less than gas here. Under regular driving my ecodiesels have averaged 23.5 mpg and my hemi averaged 15.4 mpg. I could baby my hemi and get up to 22 mpg but that meant feathering the throttle and cruising at 80km/h(50m/h). My ecodiesels have been so great I just jump in and drive and don’t worry about having to fill up every 2 or 3 days…

      2. And,they will sell like hotcakes. Some people,whether they need it or not,prefer V8’s.Some the twin turbo V6’s,etc. As long as you’re not paying for it,it doesn’t matter.You buy what you want,others will buy what they want. BTW,diesel has been at least 10 cents cheaper per gallon,than reg unleaded,for the last 3 years here where I live.

        1. Oh it absolutely will sell because its a diesel. People will be knocking down the dealer doors to get one. It dont understand how people survived for so long without them in a 1/2 ton.

      3. Driving a 2.8 Duramax is pretty nice. It’s fairly peppy and it has a lot of pull. For those who like diesels it has a very satisfying rattle to it as well. The MPG is quite good and as I am starting to get some miles on it the MPG appears to be getting better. There is some questions as to the economics of it-currently I figure it will surpass that of the gas version at about 120,000 miles, which is much less than I intend to keep it. In my area diesel is about the same price of regular gasoline. Oil changes fuel filter replacements are a little more expensive then a gas versions but they occur at about the same frequency are are just as easy to perform. DEF adds a slight cost but is very little bother.

        1. @ Sparky21: Congrats on your choice. My next truck will be a midsize diesel. Since I am not brand loyal,by 2019 I should have a good selection to choose from. But,I am partial to Jeep,and to the Colorado. I don’t like the frontend of the Canyon,but that’s just me.

          1. The Colorado Dmax is a nice truck for sure. It was a nice test drive but I cant pay the prices they wanted for them locally. I think in other parts of the country they dont sell as well, but here in Utah it seems like there are more Dmax colorados than V6’s.

            1. I’ve mentioned this before,imho,it’s a regional thing.People in cities usually don’t need,or want a diesel.

              Folks that live in the ‘burbs’,or further out in the country would be more partial to a diesel because of towing etc.

              A lot of people are buying pickups because it seems to be the ‘in thing’ to do.

              Most,if not all on here,are pretty much died in the wool pickup truck owners who use them for most all of their needs,and are not afraid to get them dirty.

            2. Lohchief, I would concur about trucks being the “in” thing right now. I have been noticing newer trucks with hitches without a scratch. And I have been seeing a rash of rams with no hitches at all. I thought all trucks came with a hitch.

            3. The diesel Colorado’s and Canyon’s sell fast here in the Midwest US. Eve the diesel ZR2’s are hard to catch before they sell. The V6 ZR2’s definitely sit on the local lots longer than the Duramax versions. (ZR2 in general seem to move very quickly. Turnover seems to be less than 20 days based on what I’ve seen at the closest GM dealer. Glad to see positive sales trends for GM’s first truemoff-road truck in many many years. Hopefully it helps justify a half-ton with DSSV shocks. They don’t need a “Raptor killer” because Ford themselves killed the Raptor when they took away any V8 option, and refused to remove the junk IWE-based 4WD system. Those two points are major reliability issues that make the Raptor extremely expensive in the long-run.

    5. I would really like to see the 2018 F 150 gas do a pull of 13,200 lbs. First I don’t think the truck has the stability or the breaking power to handle a load like this. I have a 2016 Titan XD diesel and this truck can pull. But it is sketchy with anything over 11000 lbs. Also the titan has bigger brakes than the f 150.
      So guys put the f150 to the test. I really don’t think it Handel as well.

      1. It has to be at least OK seeing as its test to J2807. Thats not the end-all of towing but it at least sets a standard to go by.

    6. Looks like there are two “Jons” commenting… While government regulations have been a thorn in the automobile industry’s side, when reasonable, cost effective technology can be developed, we end up with better vehicles. We’ll have to wait and see if diesel engines installed in light duty pickups with all of the costly emissions equipment are a better choice?

    7. I am puzzled by the 12,000lbs towing ability when ALL 3 Litre Diesels here come in at 3.5 tonne (7,700lb) maximum.
      The 2.7 litre version of the Lion was in the Ford Territory

        1. CrazyGreg
          But that certainly does not account for at least a 3,500lb discrepancy in towing figures for a 3 litre diesel, even when the other vehicle has a higher GVWR and GCVWR

      1. The 3 litre diesels here are what the Americans call mid size trucks. F150 is a full size, ie a larger vehicle. It follows that a larger vehicle will have a higher towing capacity. The North American market Colorado/Canyon have the same 3.5 tonne (7700lbs) towing capacity as the Australian spec Colorado, Ranger etc.

        As for 2.7 litre diesel in the Territory it was also used in several Jaguar and Land Rover products and was very thirsty by diesel standards. By the time Ford put it in the Territory it was disappearing from everything else.

        1. @Jason Scott
          Quite aware of that, but like Dan Bush quite puzzled how it can have a 12,000lb towing, when other vehicles with a higher GCVWR are 3,500lb less

    8. It does seem funny that the new f150 3.0 diesel with with a 3.55 axle ratio would have a 12,000 lbs. Max tow rating, while the ram 3.0 ecodiesel with a 3.55 axle ratio (in a base tradesman model) has only a 8,060 lbs. Max tow rating.

      1. It might be partly explained by a difference in the suspension between the two and the Ford being a more modern design with a new chassis and aluminium body but yes that does seem to be a significant discrepancy between what are supposed to be trucks that directly compete with each other.

        1. @Jason Scott
          That is what maybe a possible explanation but even that does not hold water when some of the diesels in question develop more power and have a heavier GVWR and GCVWR

    9. Since I just bought a 2018 Raptor, I noticed some of the diesel data was included in the owner’s manual. For folks thinking the Ford half ton diesel would be a bombshell in terms of towing and power ratings, think again. I never expected the Ford 3.0L diesel to out-tow the top Ecoboost, if for no other reason than not making nearly the power. In fact, I expect the horsepower of this new engine to be around 250-275, and the torque to be around 450-500. Really, those are excellent numbers…but in my opinion one has to wonder why Ford is even offering a diesel in this segment. I can only think of a couple of reasons:
      1. To attract buyers who think owning a diesel is manly, cool, or for whatever reason want a diesel but not in the form of a heavy duty truck.
      2. To make the most fuel-efficient truck on the market and add that to their marketing claims.

      So the answer is likely reason two, and reason one is just a bonus. It may help in the short term with CAFE numbers. As far as towing, it might end up being the most pleasant F-150 to tow with. Ford’s EcoBoost V6 engines already tow better than any gas V8 on the market, but they still do not produce their torque at as low an RPM as a diesel.

      1. Congrats on the new raptor.

        I just don’t see the appeal as a former first Gen ecoboost owner for these half ton diesels. I think that you are spot on with Ford wanting to have claim to the best mpg, hp, torque, etc. How much lower does the powerband need to be? The first Gen 3.5 ecoboost was fantastic in this regard. Too low RPM will result in decreased water and oil flow.

        I guess some things don’t have to be justified and that’s ok. I fly for fun and it will never make sense financially vs flying commercial.

        1. @William,

          Thanks. The EcoBoost (whether in Raptor form or F-150 form) makes peak torque at 3500RPM. That’s lower than a V8, and the torque curve is very good…but the EcoDiesel, for example…makes peak torque at 2,000 RPM. Running the engine at low speeds means less wear and tear, quieter operation, and the ability to get into higher gear more quickly.

          1. I thought the first Gen ecoboost had a lower torque peak than the current engine. Mine felt lower than 3500 anyway. It never seemed to need much more than 2500 unless I was acting a fool.

            1. It does have the peak at a lower RPM, but its also 50 ft-lbs lower. My guess is that torque curve is probably similar up to 2500 rpm and then the 2nd gen keeps climbing while the first gen goes flat or falls.

              Ford left a lot on the table though. A simple tune and you pick up a boat load of torque below 2500 rpm. My tuned 2014 with 3.73’s was pulling my 5500 lb travel trailer at 70mph and i estimate I could climb a 3% grade before it needed to shift out of 6th. This was at 5000 ft too.

      2. First of all, congrats to your new truck purchase. I am glad, that economy is picking up an people has money to burn.
        Ford doesn’t have a choice, just to chase RAM , because of fuel efficiency.
        I don’t think,that Ford is going to be more fuel efficient than RAM in real world situation and more powerful in the same time.
        I also think,that new RAM diesel will have upgraded power and torque for more capacity to handle more load with new chassis and 6 lug wheels.
        It’s exciting to watch this manufacturers wars, hopefully I can benefit from this and buy RAM for less money , because Ford is stuck with expensive aluminiun body and bed for very long time.
        Just 4 more month to wait for the completely new RAM.

        1. @Zviera,

          Thanks for the congrats. We will see what RAM brings to the table with the 2019 model. I’ve heard the EcoDiesel will be more powerful, probably because they know the Ford V6 diesel will out-power their engine (for now). RAM should be careful with design. The current styling is very good; the moustache grille is not very good for me. RAM is cheaper for now because they have the oldest design and everything is paid for. When they introduce a brand new model, prices will be higher.

      3. As more states start to smog test diesels engines. Sales of diesel engines will decrease.

        The ability to ‘tune’, diesels without worrying about a smog test was a major draw.

        A great many of the younger people satisfied their power urge through building up of a diesel engine.

        1. And thats why the ecoboost is so nice. You get the diesel low end and dont have to deal with the 5000 RPM driving. I mean the 2017 pulled a 9000 lb trailer up the ike at 3000 rpms like it was joke.

          1. Even 3000 rpm was high for some old v8’s.

            At 3000 rpm my 400m engine fan sounds like a helicopter taking off. 😎

            Besides the noise if your running 5000 rpm. You are putting a lot of extra miles on the engine.

            Considering about 1700 rpm cruising speed on normal interstate.

            At 5100 rpm, you are putting the equivalent of 300% more miles on the engine.

            That’s a lot of extra wear and tear.

      4. Troverman, congrats on the Raptor purchase. I have been really thinking of one myself. I should wait a little since we just moved into our brand new home. But I agree, I’m not sure why Ford is doing the diesel now. They have had one on tap since the early 2000’s. Even a pro type with the VT275. V6ed 6.0L from Navistar. Their gas ratings are currently pretty good and I’m not sure what they are planning on a selling quota. If you look at FCA, they have not sold many diesels when you combine both Jeep and Ram sales. However they have a much larger following so it may work out for them extremely well. But I just don’t see it being a better hauling truck over the 3.5LTT. I have said this before and will say it again, Ford better make sure it is emissions compliant. Between VW and FCA on emissions cheating, if another manufacturer cheats on a diesel, it could ruin it for a long time. I also have to believe they will nail down the MPG diesel crown. If not, what is the point?

        1. The point for the diesel is simple – they want every facet of the market covered. They want to offer something for everyone and when the diesel gets here they will. Peace.

          1. They’ve gotta make a difference in the MPG’s. The 2.7 is doing really well and if an uniformed buyer strolls on the lot and sees 26mpg on the 2.7 window and 27 on the diesel window, are they really gunna pay 4k more for that? Real world or not.

            1. People who want Diesel engines want them. I am not one of them but they don’t generally want a gas engine. They like their diesels just like the old VW diesel crowd. We also know the real world mpg of the diesel will be far better than the 2.7TT which is good but the knock on the Eco in the EB engines is that you have to drive them more easily than a V8 to notice the mpg difference. I like turbo engines but this diesel is here to complete the portfolio and to one up Ram and likely because they suspect GM has a diesel coming. Why get left out of the party like they were in the midsize market?

      5. I pretty much have to agree with Troverman. I think its so Ford can take the crown away from Ram just for bragging rights. A diesel will ALWAYS sell well because its a diesel and it “belongs in a truck.” They know they will get the sales.

        I dont think they consider the Ram Ecodiesel a particularly large threat at the moment. The ED is only a small percentage of the Ram sales and Ram overall has a fraction of Ford’s sales at the moment. the Ecodiesel is a drop in the bucket.

    10. Troverman
      Congratulations on the new raptor! After you get some miles on her I hope you will give us “your” review of the truck. I’ve noticed you have a great deal of knowledge about trucks and your posts seem honest and thorough. Like always, nothing beats a personal review. Again, best of luck with your new ride.

    11. The GCWR looks great, however, that may cause one to make a big mistake if they are considering towing a 5th wheel with this new diesel F150. Those people who are considering towing a 5th wheel with a half-ton truck are learning the truth when they use the RV Tow Check app. Don’t get fooled by the dealer’s sales hype.

    12. I doubt Ford will up it’s dsl over the 3.5 eb in towing.

      Moondog might be more right on making the fuel mileage standards. Though if Ford doesn’t have at least 2 or 3 mpg more than the 2.7 eb then what is the point having a dsl?
      Just my thoughts.

      1. On paper is one thing but real world is another. I generally get better than sticker but have found in recent years some of the posted mpg numbers seem ambitious.

    13. Wow, I just discovered a huge change in the 2018 F150 Owner’s Manual towing chapter. This certainly eliminates the possibility of towing an RV fifth wheel and many conventional RV trailers.

      “Note: Make sure to take into consideration trailer frontal area. Vehicles not equipped with the Trailer Tow Package or the Heavy Duty Payload Package should not exceed 11 ft² (3.4 m²) trailer frontal area. Vehicles equipped with the Trailer Tow Package or the Heavy Duty Payload Package should not exceed 18 ft² (5.6 m²) trailer frontal area. All values calculated with SAE J2807 method.”

    14. So if your pulling an 8 ft wide trailer with a f150 with the max tow package. That trailer can only be about 28″ high? This can’t be right!

        1. I’ve commented on the F-150 aluminum when it came out that aluminum could be to light for towing certain trls. Like my 26′ enclosed 4 place aluminum snowmobile trailer.

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